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In Reply to: RE: Wrong? It doesn't look that way. posted by rbolaw on November 16, 2015 at 14:22:39
I do love the "other than" comment. That is called cherry picking. And yeah, she is only playing it in Europe and Venezuela. So what? The bottom line...she chose the piece. Tchaikovsky 2nd is "routinely performed?" um...no. Both pieces are rarely performed and she is performing them because she chose to.
You are missing the point or dodging it. It is not about what is routinely performed or not. My assertion was and still is that those pieces were chosen by Yuja not by any orchestra. She calls the shots on her repertoire.
Rolex does not sponsor her website. They do sponsor her. They do not dictate repertoire to her either. By the way, neither does DG when it comes ot her recordings.
"If Yuja Wang specialized in contemporary music, as some excellent musicians do, she would most likely not call the shots."
You can talk about hypotheticals all you want. I'm talking about the reality of the situation. Yuja does not specialize in any one kind of classical music. She does pick her repertoire. That is reality. Nothing you saw on her schedule was dictated to her. all the pieces there are pieces she is choosing to play for this season and next.
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Actually, you are dodging the point and cherry picking. And, to be honest, wrong in a number of ways. The Tchaikovsky 2 may be less often performed than the Tchaikovsky 1 (thank goodness), but it too is a standard, old, warhorse. If you didn't know that, why are you posting on this subject? Europe generally has a better environment for more unusual and newer repertoire, but Messiaen is a famous composer by 20th century standards, and is long deceased and thus not contemporary. Also, the Turangalila is probably his most famous orchestral piece.
Ms. Wang may pick her own repertoire. But she nearly always picks what major orchestras are going to be most willing to program. (No point in arguing with me, I looked at her entire schedule this year.) Perhaps in her solo recitals she is able to be more adventurous, and if she is, I respect her for that. And this is only evidence that she is in fact a major star, which you seem so anxious to prove. So calmez-vous.
Finally, have you ever spoken at length to conductors and others who are responsible for the programs of symphony orchestras about this very issue? I have. When they pay big fees to big names, they expect to fill the seats with paying customers. Less well-known music has to be presented in other ways.
"Actually, you are dodging the point and cherry picking. And, to be honest, "wrong in a number of ways."
Nah. Chris said in his post header "the employers mostly don't allow the piper to call the tune"
And to that specific assertion I said
"I guess it depends on the soloist." "Yuja pretty much calls the shots on her repertoire. At this point she pretty much picks the piece and the venue takes it or leaves it. Not a whole lot of "leavers." She is still over booked.
I know, I know, she is the exception not the rule. But I would think she is one of a good many that have that kind of star power."
And I stand by that. all this talk about the relative obscurity of Tchaikovsky's second piano concerto is off point in regards to my assertion about Yuja choosing her repertoire.
" Ms. Wang may pick her own repertoire. But she nearly always picks what major orchestras are going to be most willing to program. (No point in arguing with me, I looked at her entire schedule this year.)"
She picks what she wants to play. Period. And yeah there is no point in arguing with you if you are going to insist that pieces like Tchaikovsky Concerto 2 and the Messiaen Turangalila are war horses in the classical repertoire. Who else is playing those concertos this season? Her choices are not dictated by demands made on her by major orchestras. If that were the case she would still be playing Rach II and III and Prok II and III this season. She chose to put those concertos away to explore new repertoire and that new repertoire is what she is playing. No orchestra or music directors dictated that choice. It wa her choice and choices were made on her musical interests.
"Finally, have you ever spoken at length to conductors and others who are responsible for the programs of symphony orchestras about this very issue? I have. When they pay big fees to big names, they expect to fill the seats with paying customers. Less well-known music has to be presented in other ways."
Oh I've done better than discuss it with conductors. I've had the pleasure of watching a conductor/music director, Gustavo Dudamel (perhaps you have heard the name) have that discussion with none other than Yuja Wang. I can summarize it for you.
Dudamel: I want you to tour with the L.A. Phil next year on our anniversary tour and do a residence at Disney Hall and be the first soloist to record with me and the Simon Bolivar Orchestra. we should do the Schoenberg Concerto because of it's connections with L.A. and L.A. Phil
Yuja: I don't want to play the Schoenberg.
Dudamel: OK, let's do Rach IV. It also has special connections to L.A.
Yuja: Let's do Rach III. Let's record Rach III and Prok II.
And guess what they played on their tour and on her residency at Disney Hall.
A. The Schoenberg
B. Rach IV
C. Rach III
And what did they record together?
But yeah, I had the pleasure of discussing the subject with Debora Borda as well. It's quite the juggling act to plan a season at L.A. Phil
I don't disagree with anything in that post, it just has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, imo. I will try no more.
FWIW, the LA Philharmonic seems to be slightly more progressive than the NYP with its programming at the moment. Maybe Alan Gilbert is frustrated with that, and that's why he's leaving. At least the LAP scheduled the Rach 4 piano concerto and not just the first three. Maybe with Dudamel's star power and their great new hall they are able to fill their seats a bit more easily. But my comments about Gilbert and Dudamel are just speculation, I could be wrong, no need to debate. Over and out.
Anyway. he is right about L.A. Phil being far more adventurous with their modern programing despite the moaning one often hears about it at intermissions. They really are in a unique place in the classical world.
Well, that is a passionate audience. Are there privacy curtains?
I don't know about mad. Jealous, maybe. ;-)
c'mon it's L.A, privacy curtains? No way we have hot tubs in the lobby.
Does the audience moan after watching Yuja in one of her super short miniskirts? I'm definitely not getting in a hot tub with any of them!
At the Concertgebouw one guy did have a heart attack before the first encore.
I wouldn't get into a hot tub with most of the audience at Disney Hall either.
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