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In Reply to: RE: Hi, Mark - In case you and Alan haven't noticed. . . posted by ahendler on November 10, 2015 at 07:45:53
Please take my posts in the ironic spirit in which they were intended. ;-)
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I won't and nobody should
Alan
You do realize that you are among the butts of this on going joke do you not? Of course not.
The "major label" defense seems more than a bit disingenuous to me. Are there threads here about pictures on Decca and DG covers of, say, Joshua Bell, Pierre Boulez, Joseph Calleja, Rolando Villazon, Gustavo Dudamel, Misha Maisky (complete with open shirt and hairy chest:) and so forth...? I think not.
I'm not passing judgment at all. Lord knows that I also like attractive and sexy women and have been known to do my share of objectifying them. And this is definitely what is going on-- let's be honest. If the shoes fit, we should all be ready to man up, as they say, and wear them.
Harry
"That's Mischa Maisky, M I S C H A!"
"And that's not chest hair. That's a SOLID GOLD necklace I wear under my open shirt collar when I'm not playing my Cello in a 'wife beater' T-shirt!"
Really? Hard to believe.
This whole objectification discussion certainly has its place in society as a whole, but it's hard for me to take it seriously in an enterprise as dependent on its "show business" aspects as music (even classical music) is. But for those who are seriously offended by the "objectification" of musical performers, the answer is obvious: don't look at them! Meanwhile, those of us in the real world will continue to feel free to comment on the visual aspects of the music biz too. And, BTW, I can't listen to Misha Maisky's recordings - I keep thinking about his hairy chest and it distracts me from my concentration on the music! ;-)
One last thing: I think your mention of Dudamel doesn't further your argument, since DG markets him as a kind of matinee idol, just as Sony did with Esa-Pekka Salonen before The Dude (at least in LA). And as I've posted before, DG's marketing of Yundi Li (oops! I mean Yundi!) is every bit as obvious in its of promotion of sex appeal (including full color "pictorials" in the CD booklets) as their marketing of any of their female artists.
With all due respect, I think you miss my point. Perhaps I was not clear. To argue that the major labels use sex to sell CDs is what I meant as disingenuous; the threads here have only been about "babes" but never about men on CD covers. This is certainly because the overwhelming majority of us who post here are men. And still, to scapegoat the record labels because they objectify artists is not much of an excuse, it seems to me. I don't think this is just a matter of pointing out what the labels are doing; we all have eyes. The threads are a relatively constant flow of "babe alert" photos, followed by posts about the relative talent of the musicians. The argument that, in essence, "they all do it so we're just following their lead" is just more obfuscation. I'm not a puritan at all, and that's not the point. This isn't quite like using sexy women to sell cars or cigarettes, but close enough to my mind to qualify as starfucking or kiddie porn:)
Wow!. . . just. . . Wow!So my OP on this thread makes an observation that JJ is looking a bit older on her new booklet cover than her 37 years. And from this, you get kiddie porn?
As I say, Wow!. . . just. . . Wow!
Edits: 11/10/15
Wow, indeed My comments weren't related to your original post but to your responses in the thread and the general discussion. i presume that you get this.
Yet speaking of which, I have yet to see a thread about a male musician looking older. This is what sensible women seem to object to, and I cant say I blame them. I have had my comeuppance on those grounds...
Although you're doubling down with generalities, it's clear you are hoist with your own petard, and it's also clear that the porn is in your own mind.
I guess that dozens of babe alert posts are not specific enough to point out, so I am the one hoist by my petard? That is pure projection if I have ever seen it. This is hilarious:) Stick with defending Liszt. You're far better at that.
And bt the way, if digging babe photos on CD covers are your thing, go for it! There are worse habits out there....
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