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In Reply to: RE: Hi, Mark - In case you and Alan haven't noticed. . . posted by Chris from Lafayette on November 10, 2015 at 00:43:40
In the nineteenth century they used to market superficial pretty boys with great technical chops.
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Indeed!
Maybe I'm delusional, but I hear such depth to so much of Liszt's music, and it's hard for me to reconcile comments from the peanut gallery about him. Some of it is pure ignorance, such as Ezra Pound's amateurish assertion that Liszt didn't know much about chords {!}. I swear, if anybody knew about chords, it was Liszt!
(Not that I don't like Chopin too!)
I couldn't agree more. I love Liszt. The Annees de Pilgrimages, Piano Sonata, Consolations, tone poems and great songs and choral music. Much of it sublime...
And good enough for Lenny, who (following Stravinsky's famous quip about great composers stealing) took the late Bagatelle without Tonality and used it, Note for Note, as one of the main themes of West Side Story. The majority of trained musicians don't know this, I suspect, let alone enthusiasts...
Harry Z
. . . I'd be surprised if this were really true. Could have been unconscious, I suppose. You say it appears in one of the main themes of WSS note for note, but exactly which theme did you have in mind? (Or if it's not in one of the songs, then what action is it associated with?)
But Bernstein did make some snarky comments about Liszt - one I remember is that the Faust Symphony is the one work that saves Liszt from being a forgettable composer.
there's no point in arguing with you about all the babe posts. The funny thing is, when I post pictures of a competent but unspectacular Italian soprano who happens to be stacked, you listen to some of her recordings and report that you find her to be a competent but unspectacular soprano. I guess when it comes to irony, you have a transmitter but not a receiver. ;-)
The irony is passing right over my head.
I love that the anti-babe contingent considers itself to be on the 'respect for women' side of things. Right. In the same sense that the 'let's keep our women shrouded' population of the world claims to be protecting them.
Let's get real here.
The anti-babe folks here hate women. They are unable to celebrate in a female musician's beauty. They resent that someone blessed with musical talent could also be blessed with physical beauty. They are intimidated by female flesh. A bare shoulder is too much for them. They cannot emotionally handle an image of an attractive female and rather than admit how much it excites them they rail against it so no one will know the truth.
Why the grudge against beautiful female musicians? Has being physically repulsive to women over the course of their lives caused a deep resentment that they suffer from? If any of you anti-babe folks are beautiful then please post a pic to prove it.
Are you kidding. Who has said I don't appreciate a women's beauty? I don't appreciate referring to women as babe. By the way I need to ask Chris since you are in the musical world, when you meet some of these female violinists do you say, " Hey Babe, how are you doing." or would you feel it was inappropriate?
Alan
I always use their names or nicknames, just as I did in the OP of this thread. A very high percentage of the high-school and college girls I work with are in fact babes however!Many years ago, I did run in to a cellist who told me that one of her other acquaintances always greeted her with the words, "Hey, babe!". Far from being offended by this, she was rather amused by it and found it rather endearing - part of the other person's charm.
It's presumptuous to think that one can speak for all women and lay down laws of political correctness by forbidding the use of a harmless descriptor. If a girl told me she didn't like the use of the word, babe, then of course I wouldn't use it (not that I do anyway). When some guy on a discussion board tells me not to use that word, I start to wonder how this kind of arrogance originated.
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Babe is very 20-30 years ago. IME the musicians you speak of prefer to be called hot or hotties.
Yes, no doubt they LOVE it when people call them that. Particularly accompanying and preferably preceeding any discussion of their playing.
Do you work in construction?
Dave
So eager to be the defender of womanhood and yet so arrogant to cast aspersions on an entire class of workers.
Guilty of the same sort of thing you're whining about.
Why are you stereotyping construction workers? Seems kind like a sexist objectification of a group of people who do very important work.
You're trying a bit too hard
It felt effortless. What is it you think I was "trying?"
Nope, I am a makeup artist.
CFL said "When some guy on a discussion board tells me not to use that word, I start to wonder how this kind of arrogance originated."
I'm always suspicious of males who adopt the roles of protectors of womanhood.
All of the shrouded women in the world are the beneficiaries of such protection.
There are the fortunate women made to hide behind sheets at public gatherings by the males who care for them so very much.
And then there are the fathers who are so protective and obsessed with their daughter's sexuality that they hold public 'purity balls' at which the daughter pledges her virginity to her father until she marries.
Last but not least, the female musicians of the world are protected and defended by the Music Lane anti-babers.
Imagine if the anti-babers took over the music world. There would be a chaperone at every concert to be sure female musicians dressed modestly before appearing in public. A censor would be present at each photo shoot to ensure not too much of that titillating skin showed up on album covers. And the anti-babe contingent would be content and at peace.
Not to mention operas such as "Salome". ;-)
I was (gently and in the spirit of good-natured fun) poking fun at your propensity for posting photos of women musicians and commenting on their looks, dress, etc. Which you often do. The soprano I posted about, Maria Luigia Borsi, is good enough, imo, but is hardly the next Maria Callas. What really stands out, particularly in the publicity photos she no doubt approved of, are her very large breasts, which her low cut dresses can barely contain. So, here is a golden opportunity for you to talk about appearance and attire. Get it?
My playfully ironic jibe passed you by completely unnoticed, and you responded something to the effect that you listened to her and didn't hear anything very special. Of course you didn't, she isn't, and that wasn't the point. But I think I'm done with this too-humorless thread.
Can't sayI blame you for being done. Even my playful references to starfucking and kiddie porn were taken seriously:)
Nevertheless, I'd suggest that you take care with your "playful" references to kiddie porn.
And of course you will take care of your babe references
Alan
They've come out in droves. They're swarming.
Really, bluemooze? You compare me with an annoying insect? I'm not one of those piling on Chris here. But if he posts about the nude violinist in Playboy (which he has done), or complains that Julia Fischer appeared on stage in an unsexy outfit because she was pregnant (which he has also done), or that a 37-year old female violinist is no longer hot (which he did here), then he is going to have to gracefully accept a certain amount of indignant backlash (not from me, that's just too boring).
So Chris's righteous indignation at the righteous indignation of his critics is all a bit amusing. Everyone should just chill, imho.
[edited to remove good-natured attempt at humor, which doesn't seem to be appreciated at the moment.]
Edits: 11/10/15
Playboy is pretty mainstream, and I didn't force the violist to pose for the magazine. I just reported about it.
J-Fi in a pregnancy gown - guilty as charged.
If you'll check, I don't believe I used the word "hot" with respect to JJ.
On the righteous indignation side, we've got comparisons to the Confederate flag and references to kiddie porn.
Equivalent? Not by a long shot.
The first step to s admitting you have a problem. There is no need to be ashamed or to feel judged. The photos of hot young violinists can be pretty damned exciting, after all....
I'm not sure why I even got in to any of this. I enjoy your posts, and if one comes along that doesn't interest me, I don't have to read it, right? I just think things should be kept good-natured, fun and friendly by everyone. No need to get into humorless slugfests or name calling (did someone just call me a bug?), I sure regret it when I succumb to the temptation. And I'm sorry if my kidding around offended you. That wasn't intended. Peace and love, I'm outta here.
That makes two of us. I rarely come here anymore, and I couldn't rsist this time. Kind of like watching a train wreck.. I suppose that I made it worse, which I regret. Time to find a real forum for conversations about classical music recordings and performers.
Harry
But I think you're still playing the role of the offended innocent. You couldn't resist WATCHING a train wreck? I think you were one of the main switchmen! ;-)
And, BTW, if you have truth and justice on your side, you should not regret what you posted. I know I don't. ;-)
I don't regret what I wrote. I do regret wasting time and energy on negativity, and participating in the thread was not a positive choice. I don't find the topic particularly uplifting. By contrast, I completely endorse your advocacy of and views on Liszt!
Go well-
Harry
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