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In Reply to: RE: Edvard Grieg Complete Symphonic Works posted by ahendler on August 23, 2015 at 16:04:07
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There is no LP that could come close to the dynamic range offered here. The spaciousness and layering of sound of this SACD (vol 3) is perhaps the best I have ever heard from ANY source in stereo, and it's even better in surround, with no fakery or contrivance. It is simply there with unprecedented fidelity: size, tone, clarity, impact of an orchestra; the illusion as complete as the rest of your system and room will allow.
You're depriving yourself.
Peace,
Tom E
I adopted SACD equipment early on but began to realize that I'd be dead before depth and breadth of repertoire available matched quality of sound.
But that was back when there were only about 2000 titles available, 1550 of them Mahler 2nds, and 1449 of those performed by very well-meaning and extremely dedicated Brazilian orchestras....
I don't understand the reference. I enjoyed the 1812 as a child and as a very young man. Now I can listen to it hardly more than once per year or so, although I admit that a really good performance does still stir my spirit just a bit. Yeah, the bells tolling and the cymbals crashing and the brass blasting "O Lord, Save Thy People" while the string section nearly saws their instruments in half, just before the final march, makes my little hairs stand up. Canon are just noise.
If you're implying that this Audite disc is good merely because of the sonics, you're off the mark. It seems to be an excellent performance along with incredible sonics. That's my point: a rare combination of excellence and not just another audiophile toy.
If you still have the hardware, please give this piece of software a try. I was an early adopter of this tech when there were about forty Sony/Columbia titles available and not much else. I am old, too, and poor to boot, but I haven't given up and I'm glad I invested a few precious bucks in this music. I feel this disc justifies the journey.
I also bemoan the endless repetition of repertoire on SACD. There are a few courageous labels who have ventured beyond the safety of superfluous Mahler syms, and the orchestras are better than Brazilian pick-ups. But those labels won't stay off the beaten path unless we pave the way by buying their products.
Peace,
Tom E
ultra exaggerated response would make the tongue in cheek aspect of my response perfectly clear.Of course, there aren't 1400 Mahler 2nds on SACD. Yet. : )
And Brazinlian orchestras ain't bad.
Edits: 08/25/15
It's not like Bolero, but . . . you know.
Actually, I play the 1812 Overture on New Year's Eve, so that when it's midnight, the cannons are going off. This is in honor of an old high school friend, now a professional violinist, who played it to help usher in the New Year. It's a tradition from our teen years. Other than that, I do without it.
The last time I played Bolero was when we had some friends over and one of them wanted to hear some classical music on my system--you know, like Bolero! So I got out my old (and excellent) recording with Ansermet and the SRO.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Well, not speaking for jdaniel, but for myself, I have a very good SACD player (the same one you have) as well as my 2 turntables (one for mono, one for stereo). I have a decent selection if SACDs and a large collection of NM LPs.
When given the choice between LP, CD or SACD, which I do in quite a few cases, I prefer listening to the LP. Yep, some of us actually prefer LP/TT. And it is not due to ignorance or unfamiliarity with the digital alternatives.
As to who is being "deprived," I doubt that you are in a position to measure or judge the amount of enjoyment others receive from listening to music. And that is the only thing that matters -- the enjoyment one receives from listening.
You apparently receive a lot of enjoyment from listening to SACDs. Enthusiasm is great. But please resist the urge to judge or lecture others.
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
I was not making any judgments about anybody's listening habits or preferences. Where did I write anything against vinyl playback or those who enjoy it?
Back off.
Tom E
miking well into the 70's. They have a few recordings which actually made it to SACD and deservedly so.
We're all a small family after all.
I've not heard the Audite Grieg, but one of my very first SACD purchases was vol 1 of the BIS Grieg cycle.
Grieg is hard to mess up.
In any case, I appreciate your enthusiasm. It's a heady thing, and I've been there.
Just picked this one (for my wife) at the San Francisco Audio Show.
Side 2 is worth the price of admission. Maybe my favorite slab of 'new' vinyl.
Had me thinking, for the first time in a LONG time: "Damn, now I remember why I spent all of this time and $$ on putting together this mostly crappy sounding 'tubes and horns' audio system!"
All this on a my wife's stock Rega RP6 and a JICO MM-1 cartridge.
And yes, all audiophile should buy their wife her own TT. =:-0
. . . that my wife can't imagine folks listening to LP's. When I told her she might see some rooms with vinyl sources at the recent California Audio Show, she asked, "Who in their right mind would want to listen to LP's in this day and age?" ;-)
Makes spinning vinyl discs seem virtually sane.
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"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
"Right" minds only listen to digital.
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
I love good digital and also love good vinyl. They sound different, each with its own virtues and faults. I have friends who love vinyl and also friends who don't own a turntable. It's really about what we respond to on an emotional level. I don't know why we turn audio into a contest between formats. Especially in the music forum. I listened last night to some recordings from the 1930's and they were thrilling even in not very good sound. We need to put more emphasize on the music. AT the CES I was speaking with a gentleman who was raving about the sound of a certain system. I asked him what his favorite piece of music was and he couldn't answer me. How sad
Alan
There is a Hi-Rez forum for discussing the magic of hi-rez audio.
There is a Vinyl forum for discussing the magic of vinyl playback.
Music Lane is (I thought) the forum for discussing the music, not arguing about formats.
Because, after all, in the end, it's whether you enjoy listening to it. Every person has their own route to enjoyment. This is not a moral issue pertaining to right and wrong. Nor is it a political issue where votes decide the winner. Nor us it about scientific measurement. Music is a psychological/emotional experience. As we used to say back in the day -- "Whatever turns you on, man, it's groovy."
That said, I've got thousands if CDs, SACDs, LPs, DVDs, BluRays ...... and my collection encompasses a lot of composers and recordings that most people have never heard of.
I could probably (well, maybe) create a list of the music I like listening to the most. But one favorite? Nope. No chance. And that top 25 would probably (likely) change week to week.
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)
. . . on that guy's inability to say what his favorite piece of music was. If you ask a lot of musicians the same question, many of them will answer that it's the piece they've played most recently - I've heard that answer on a number of interviews, usually in regard to Mozart piano concertos. ;-)
You are probably right. I was thinking of a politician that got raked over the coals because she could not name any book she had read
Alan
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