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In Reply to: RE: Huh? posted by Chris from Lafayette on August 17, 2015 at 23:20:12
I have to agree with Learsfool, and actually, you could argue the influence went both ways. Stravinsky was also a big admirer of Prokofiev and once called him the second (to him) greatest Russian composer. Interesting that the Classical Symphony predates Pulcinella by a couple of years, (1917 to 1919) and Prokofiev's first violin concerto predates Stravinsky's by more than that (1923 to 1931, approximately).But I have to give Stravinsky the crown as the king of modern neoclassicism. Later great neoclassical pieces by Prokofiev, like the flute/violin sonata Op. 94, and much of the music of Milhaud, Poulenc, Hindemith and Bartok wouldn't have been the same without Stravinsky.
Ed.: Interesting that later 20th century French composers like Messiaen, Jolivet and Boulez explicitly rejected the modern neoclassicism of early 20th-century Paris, but in very different ways.
I hear the influence of Debussy, Ravel and Stravinsky everywhere in 20th century music, both "serious" and popular, though you could argue it began to wane in the later stages of the century.
Edits: 08/18/15Follow Ups:
I guess that was what I was asserting (or trying to anyway!) - that the influence went both ways. It was by no means just that Stravinsky influenced Prokofiev, which (if I read Learsfool's post correctly) it seemed he was contending. Nor do I think Stravinsky's influence on Prokofiev was particularly significant, aside from a couple of works.
Also, I'm not sure that I'd characterize that Op. 94 Flute Sonata as particularly neo-classical - for instance, that opening theme is pretty luscious romanticism in my book, and I don't think Stravinsky had much of an influence on it. Moreover, I don't think that Stravinsky is necessarily the king of (or originator of) neo-classicism either - geez, think of such composers as Respighi and Strauss (Le Bourgeois gentilhomme, Dance Suite after Couperin!), or even Tchaikovsky (we can't forget Mozartiana or the Rococo Variations, or large parts of the Queen of Spades). In this respect, Stravinsky was just one of many IMHO.
Also, far from waning, Prokofiev's influence extended to the latter couple of decades in the 20th century - check out James Horner's music for Star Trek II, where his "homage" to Prokofiev is sometimes note-for-note! ;-)
(OK, I concede that there's a lot of Stravinsky influence in parts of John Williams' Star Wars music!)
We'll just have to disagree on some of these points, but when I said the Debussy-Ravel-Stravinsky influence was "waning", I really meant we have moved into the post-modern world, and there are now other movements and influences taking hold in both popular and serious music, and in our culture generally.
Even post-modernists like Toru Takemitsu, Arvo Part and Philip Glass are now part of the old guard and have long since had their impact on popular culture, including numerous movie scores.
That's the way art is, it just keeps movin' ahead, though I don't downplay the significance of conservatives and traditionalists, they're always a factor, though sometimes forgotten by history.
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