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In Reply to: RE: A Classical Music Work You Really Cannot Listen To posted by John C. - Aussie on August 08, 2015 at 20:57:34
...any of the discordant stuff from modern composers.
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Discordant or cordant or what have you. I'll take it if it sounds good, or at least sounds right. I try not to think in terms of single ingredients. I try to think in terms of balance. And when I think of the word "balance", I am once again reminded of the very old music of Gesualdo.A little discordancy forces sweetness. It makes things sweeter in a painful sort of way. It was like Tabasco on Gesualdo's morning eggs.
"A SWEET disorder in the dress Kindles in clothes a wantonness" - Robert Herrick
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I wonder what you and others of this view think about modern discordant literature, theater, painting and sculpture?
Of course, the modernist movement, in its final years when I was a child and beginning music student, is considered old history by today's scholars. We are in the post-modernist era now. So if you are still complaining about the Second Viennese Movement, you are doing so as an historian or -gasp- musicologist.:-)
. . . many of whom are still alive. It now appears as if it's been a musical dead end (thank goodness!). But if it's history, it's living history, and it's still performed and still having its injurious and alienating effects on the classical audience as a whole. Of course, I'm not denying that there's a fragment of the listening public (and the performing fraternity) that's "into" dodecaphony.
As for your question about modernism in general, the term just covers too many things to make a flat statement about it. I think the movement has contributed some effective and worthy products to society - especially in the areas of architecture and typography. (I love Helvetica!)
I do think there are links between modernism in the various disciplines, and I should have included design and architecture, as you say.
As for "irreparable damage", I wouldn't use that phrase, but modernism has had a permanent cultural impact. Anyone who likes the theme from "Jaws" (inspired by the Sacrificial Dance of the Rite of Spring), or uses an iMac, iPhone, iPad, or i-anything, has felt its impact.
My personal modernist bête noire is architecture, not music. I wish the World Trade Center could have been taken down peacefully, with nobody getting hurt. Lincoln Center isn't quite as bad, but is still bad enough.
I just don't like to LISTEN to it. ;-)
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In other news, Stockhausen Festival in full swing at my place...
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Hint: I just downloaded the 24/96 version of this:
I'm grooving to it right now! And I know people here will get tired of my quoting this, but, as Stockhausen himself said, "She has the ability to make people like my music!"
I'll check it out.
I love his Zeitmas for WW Quintet, fair amount of other stuff with Clarinet.
One Piano piece with a Ring-Modulator made my Kefs sound like they were being SHREDDED- Freaked me out the first time!
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