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In Reply to: RE: LA Phil best paid! posted by docw on July 22, 2015 at 22:24:58
. . . perhaps you would like to elaborate on your assertion? (Plenty of critics seem to consider LA a great orchestra these days.) Don't get me wrong, I like Cleveland too, but, for me, Cleveland never has had, for instance, the tonal allure of some other great orchestras - and I have plenty of Dohnanyi/Cleveland recordings.
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"Don't get me wrong, I like Cleveland too, but, for me, Cleveland never has had, for instance, the tonal allure of some other great orchestras - and I have plenty of Dohnanyi/Cleveland recordings."
I think until recently, Cleveland has been victimized by some awful recordings. Save for the Telarc/Soundstream recordings late in Lorin Maazel's tenure. The Szell Bartok "Concerto for Orchestra" was one of only few recordings of the Cleveland Orchestra that I thought was at least decent. Yet Szell totally butchered (literally) the ending of the piece. The best of the rest was maybe the Lorin Maazel recording Rimsky Korsakov's "Scheherazade" (link). But you still need tubes to fully appreciate the recording. (I think this is the best "Scheherazade" to make recording.)
I only say this because in my opinion, the Cleveland Orchestra between 1965 and 1985 had the greatest sound (or "tone") I've ever experienced in a symphony orchestra. A sound that stood out where I'd be able to pick this orchestra out from a bunch of performances. (I can maybe do this with Solti/Chicago too, due to the overpowering brass.) A sound that can even be listened through bad recordings.
The "Cleveland Sound" is present in spades with the "Scheherazade" recording.... Although a lot is lost relative to the vinyl.
Sorry, deleted my response twice by mistake. No real link.LA Phil may be very good, but sometimes I wish for better. Dudamel is good and can motivate an orchestra. When I attended live concerts of Cleveland under Dohnanyi, we had a sense of unity, power without straining and beauty of intonation (at Severance in the later 80's). CD's are fine, but often don't capture all that.
Again, we (CYMO) had a chance to sit under Gustavo and rehearse recently! Engaging and inspirational leader. And we've had the likes of Bing Wang, Whitney Crockett, Carrie Dennis and V Gupta, Andrew Bain and James Miller come and play the solo for our winter concerts!
Thinking of you, spending so much time for young people, it's great.
Edits: 07/23/15
. . . I was very struck by how pure their intonation was, just as you suggest. This may have been during the Dohnanyi years, but it was actually Eschenbach whom I heard conducting them.
Christoph v D
V Ashkenazy
Jahja Ling
Michael Stern
Robert Page choral plus
That's who I heard as a conducting staff
Even Franz Welser Moest has intonation but different ode of clean
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