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In Reply to: RE: That is, until you see the going prices on vintage vinyl... posted by Ivan303 on April 29, 2015 at 16:56:47
that's why they were never issued in a large quantity. Hence it's silly money for a mint copy of old Van Gelder Blue Note or Riverside. :/
In my mind, American jazz died at the end of the 60s. All the giants are dead now anyways.
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Often rarefied, subtle, sophisticated and regularly monied. Since when has volume and huge sales been an arbiter of quality?As the Danes say, 'Millions of flies eat shit. That doesn't make it food'.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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Ornette Coleman, Chick Corea, Toots Thielemans, John McLaughlin, Mose Allison, Kenny Barron, Dave Holland, et al. that they are dead.
They wouldn't appreciate that.
Don't have time to list all the great jazz recorded post 1969...
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I like some of the live ones but in my mind, they don't major up.
Hancock has done some funky stuff post 60s but I find his early stuff purer. His Grammy Award winning records leave me cold. I find his non award winning five Blue Note records are much stronger than his last 5.
I stopped buying his records after 'River'.
I have and listened to the artists you've listed but from the late 60s on jazz has been crossed over with other genre and, whilst some of them are fun, it doesn't feel pure to me.
Actually I started out with post '60s jazz and I went backwards in time and discovered the *golden age* of jazz.
were my stepping stones. "Bitches Brew" led to John McClaughlin AND Charlie Parker!Crazy about Sonny Rollins on B/N AND some of the recent titles... Duke Ellington remains as much of a touchstone as Sonny Sharrock or Joe Zawinul.
And if we don't have our favorites by now, something is amiss, so it must remain subjective.
You made it as far as "The River"? That's well beyond my call of duty yet doesn't detract
from Mr. Hancock easily qualifying as a "GIANT"!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
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Of not-so-recent work admittedly.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Jimmy Heath, Jimmy Cobb, Tootie Heath, George Coleman, Jack DeJohnette, etc...
...John Scofield, Tord Gustavsen, Tomasz Stanko, Ralph Towner, Robert Glasper, Al DiMeola, Julian Lage, Peter Erskine, John Taylor, Marc Johnson, Eliane Elias, Stefon Harris, and that's just off the top of my head. i'm sure I missed a bunch.
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Larry Willis, Wayne Horvitz, Fred Hersch,, Kenny Burrell, Enrico Pieranunzi, Russell Malone, Mike Stern, John Abercrombie, Paul Bley, Gene Bertoncini, Jessica Williams, Bill Mays, and those are just among the pianists and guitarists. Probably ought to mention Rick Wald (Hi Rick) but the horn players are a whole other universe, too many to cover.
You could say the same for Classical. ;-)
classical is mostly about *covering* tunes by dead composers.
I would bet that there are better interpretors than the composers themselves playing their own tunes. Instruments today are better, too.
It seems to me that today's *jazz* are all imitations. They don't sound fresh like Bird, Miles, Mingus, Evans, Tatum etc..
When they died they took their art with them. Their phrasing, timing, pacing etc.. were so intuitive and spontaneous creation that only they can play like that again.
Unlike classical music, it's just not about their composition. It's about their creative interpretation that made them so special.
Jazz music, on a whole, some fabulous things happen at a spare the moment. Totally unrehearsed.
Try to tell that to Celibedache. :P
In addition, today's major record label will never allow a kind of creative freedom, nurturing and support to the artists. ( like the original Lion/Wolff Blue Note )
These two guys knew about 'fresh'.
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LOL!
At least you're humorous.
Dave
Music continues to evolve, but for me, music of eras past isn't dead so long as their are performers who can do it justice, and/or use it to move in new directions.
Check out NPR's tiny desk concerts, discussed here before. All sorts of strands in the stream of music, including the supposedly dead jazz and classical.
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