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In Reply to: RE: You know what? posted by Todd Krieger on November 09, 2014 at 15:02:29
Spare the grandiose commentary, simply clarify what you meant if you feel I've misrepresented it.
You seem to think auto tune is used to compensate for a singing deficiency. Am I correct? If not, clarify what you said because that's how it reads.
You claim it's been used on recordings of Frank Sinatra. Do you think Sinatra had singing deficiencies compensated for with auto tune?
That's it, simple enough to clear up.
Dave
Follow Ups:
He did clarify it. You are being a dick...again. Try making an honest argument without being a dick for a change. Let's see you make an actual point rather than an attack on Todd. Good luck....
The thread has exposed David Smith for who he is.... Same goes for Rick W and rbolaw.
If someone cited what I thought was a genuine artist for using Auto-Tune or other trickery, the worst thing I would ever say is, "I don't hear it, so we'll peacefully live in disagreement here." And move on.
I think we were "exposed" long ago during your classic Dudamel episode.
Todd, you're getting funnier and funnier. I especially enjoyed the "henchmen" bit :-)
"To those of you who want to ridicule anyone who dare criticizes Auto-Tune or performers who use it in a deceitful manner. (Like on the linked clip. It is sans Auto-Tune like the Pope is Mexican.)
As far as I'm concerned, you've been complicit in the decline of the art of music, and the decline of quality sound reproduction. And you ought to burn in Hell."
You forgot the "peacefully living in disagreement" while you were typing the "burn in hell", and you certainly forgot the moving on part as well.
Dave
"You forgot the 'peacefully living in disagreement' while you were typing the 'burn in hell', and you certainly forgot the moving on part as well......"This wasn't disagreement. This was slamming you for trying to bully and stalk whoever states something you don't like. If I made a mistake, it wasn't slamming you hard enough.
When you start a disparaging thread with a fellow poster's name in the title, that isn't disagreement. That is bullying. That is intimidation. Especially having henchmen pile on in the process. This is something that I've never done in 13 years on AA, and something that I'd never do.
To be honest with you, I don't even know what your mission here is.... Aside from wanting to silence anyone who dare points out of the use of Auto-Tune or other trickery in music production. But I will continue to criticize the use Auto-Tune, especially in a deceitful manner. Whether you like it or not.
I've kind of refrained pointing out Auto-Tune the past couple years.... Maybe I'll turn it back up a few notches.
Edits: 11/11/14
OK. I will continue to point out when your comments are baseless. If asking you to identify/support your claims is "bullying" to you, oh well.
Dave
"OK. I will continue to point out when your comments are baseless."
Hey David.... If someone's comments about Auto-Tune are "baseless", what's your motivation to be so disparaging as to start a whole new thread over this, with that person's name in title? You repeatedly go on a personal vendetta whenever someone points out the use of it. It's as if Auto-Tune is your livelihood.
"If asking you to identify/support your claims is 'bullying' to you, oh well."
You're not just a bully, but a pathological bully. You do it so often, you don't even realize you're doing it.
You can always spot it but, David does not recognize it when he is bullying, and artist don't recognize it when Auto-Tune is applied!
It's no surprise you would fail to differentiate between "ridicule" and "peaceful disagreement."
"You claim it's been used on recordings of Frank Sinatra. Do you think Sinatra had singing deficiencies compensated for with auto tune?"
No, David, Sinatra's singing qualities were destroyed by the application. Destroyed. I've actually purchased older releases of his recordings, just so I can enjoy Sinatra in an unadulterated state.
Auto-Tune does not enhance great singers, it ruins them.
Why the producers applied Auto-Tune on Sinatra and other greats, I have no clue. I cannot speak for them. But I find the application on truly great singers a total abomination.
So you agree auto-tune can be used for reasons other than compensating for singing deficiencies, is that right or an I "willfully misrepresenting" your comments?
Dave
Maybe if you shed more you could throw away that auto-tune gadget you used at Smalls, and I wouldn't have to start my campaign.
DAMN that Sinatra. I always suspected.
until Todd hipped me to auto-auto-tune, I realized it was all entirely unnecessary. I've also been able to save my students lots of time by referring them to auto-tune from the first lesson. No need for lesson two.
Dave
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