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In Reply to: RE: Bruch Violin Concerto: Jansen 0 Gluzman 1... posted by kuma on September 13, 2014 at 16:07:30
Bruch's famous concerto is for me a tantalizing near miss.
To me, in almost all cases, it comes across as a series of disconnected gestures and great moments that lead to not so great moments.
I actually think that the level of musical inspiration in the composition of the Scottish Fantasy is higher.
jm
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I really don't seem to care for the "Orchestra to Violin balance " of most of Heifetz's Concerto's the "Fantasy" w/ Sir Malcom Sargent seems to be one of the exceptions.
Was this a Ken Wilkinson recording ? For some reason the Orchestra was allowed to participate in the recording more than the usual Hefietz Cto. recordings.
How do you feel about Moeran's Violin Concerto ? I've always thought that the Lyrita recording of this piece to be sublime
(Back to the Bruch; I think the Scottish Fantasy has more passion to it due to the fact that thematically it has more of a feel of regional "folk melodies" to it)
Hi-
I probably should listen to a few more recordings of that, and I will.
I know that Tasmin Little has championed that, and I loved her Delius.
I recall the Moeran (always thought he was an unumlauted German but turns out he was Anglo-Irish) as in the same ballpark as A Lark Ascending (good company, certainly) with the merits and demerits of being more diffusely focused. Perhaps more themes than the structure can support?
ATB,
jm
The Tasmin Little,recording is probably available on Hyperion w// .?. Brabins conducting ?
How about a suggestion for "The Lark Ascending" when you mentioned this I immediately recognized the ridiculous gap that exists in my library. (We can't have that, can we ?)
Thanks John
My favorite performance of this piece of Hugh Bean's conducted by Boult. I haven't heard any that I like bettert.
Label , please !
(I guessing it was EMI, that this was on (or was it Decca ?)
It was on EMI, and I found 11 albums at Arkivmusic (mostly box sets) that include this rendition of this piece. You can preview it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JCvL1jVeM
Nathan Milstein agreed with you about the Bruch G minor as a near miss. He was also lukewarm about the Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Glazunov and Prokofiev concertos, and downright disliked the Sibelius. Only the Beethoven and Mendelssohn concertos fully met his standards. (The Bach and Mozart concertos didn't count as concertos in his calculations, and he doesn't even mention Vivaldi, despite his superb recordings of many of these.)
Funny thing is, he was especially enthusiastic about the Berg concerto, and got permission to perform it in a violin and piano version from the violinist who commissioned it. Sad that he never recorded it.
Brahms could be a dickhead.
jm
I thought Brahms needed (and got) a lot of help on the violin part from Joachim. And of course he radically revised it, cutting it down from four movements to three.
Milstein thought of the Brahms as like the Beethoven concerto but not as good. Maybe some truth to that, but imo Brahms went beyond Beethoven in achieving a loose, almost improvised, East European gypsy feel to the violin line.
For me another great example of that, though it's a far lesser piece, is the Khachaturian violin concerto. Of course, as a Soviet bloc composer, he wouldn't have been considered by Milstein at all.
And there is lots of scholarship on this that I honestly have only skimmed, and IIRC a color reproduction of the manuscript so you can more easily see the changes, but, as I understand it, the scholarly consensus is that ironically enough, Brahms accepted Joachim's purely musical suggestions much more readily than he did Joachim's violinistic objections.
The primary violinistic objection as I understood it was that by writing piano-like chords for the violin, Brahms was making the violinist choose between playing the chords as written or playing in tune, owing to the deflection of the middle string in the chord because of the curvature of the violin's bridge.
There's a lot more sturm und drang crunchiness of sound in the Brahms concerto than the Mendelssohn, f'ristance.
Indeed, the Brahms Violin Concerto goes a lot more smoothly as a piano concerto!
jm
also was adviser to the Bruch's Concerto. Hence some similarity to Brahm's VC in its 3rd movement for Hungarian dance music.
All four of Brahms' concerti end with Gypsy dances or quasi-Gypsy quasi-dances.
jm
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