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In Reply to: RE: ""??????? posted by jazz1 on July 30, 2012 at 11:50:56
such as the Claudia Quintet, Kurt Elling, Fred Hersch, Lee Konitz, Patricia Barber, Melody Gardot's 'My One and Only Thrill' album, for instance. IMHO these artists are making great art in the jazz genre. Most of the rest are talented, as you say, but are not making great art or interesting music. American culture is 99% moribund in its music and fine arts. We have good satire, e.g., Colbert Report and Book of Mormon on Broadway, because America is a joke. The Europeans (and Canada's D. Krall) are writing and making interesting music that is harmonically and instrumentally rich, e.g., Susanne Abbuehl's 'Compass' album, which is definitely jazz, with classical influences, e.g., Paul Hindemith. The lyrics are interesting, often from James Joyce, William Carlos Williams, e.e. cummings and other important blank-verse poets. Richard Galliano and Suzanna Wallumrod (sp?) are more good examples of European jazz art.
Karrin Allyson is nice easy listening. Not great art. I agree with the OP, if his point is that American music (including its jazz) is dumbed down considerably compared to the time of Duke Ellington's 'Far East Suite' and Abbey Lincoln's 'Turtles Dream'.
I know you're a jazz afficionado with good taste in music. You've steered me to much great music. And I mean no offense to you.
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"Most of the rest are talented, as you say, but are not making great art or interesting music. American culture is 99% moribund in its music and fine arts."
You may not have found it but it's an extra step to say it's not there. There are hundreds and hundreds of American musicians making great art and interesting music.
But most American music is crap, IMHO
Your specific taste may be suited to a particular variety that is popular in Europe, but that has nothing to do with what's "crap". I can assure you if your impression is that "most American music is crap", it is a reflection of your awareness of what's out there.
no sense in disputing about taste, so have a nice life.
Everyone has their taste, your statement was something different.
But for some good news...
Check out Rene Marie, Downbeat's "Rising Star" female vocalist. Not a kid by any means, but due to unfortunate family conditions was late to the party. Her two most recent CDs "Voice of My Beautiful Country" and "Black Lace Freudian Slip" are gems.
For the youth scene, check out Taylor Eigsti and Christian Scott. There is hope.
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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it." - Stewart Brand
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We definetely have a different idea of what jazz is all about.
Melody Gardot could be called popjazz, compared the Karin Allyson cd she did with Nancy King. I have the Susanne Abbuehl cd and again I do not call it jazz, her phrasing and voice are not jazz.
Actually I do not know of one European singer that express a true jazz feeling, maybe the closest would be Karin Krog or Laila Dalseth??
But yes to each is own and Vive la difference.
The best jazz gig I've seen in the past year was the Wayne Shorter quartet
which was amazing. And I am sure that if you spent a week in the New York jazz clubs you will hear more real jazz than anywhere else in the world.
and Charles Lloyd
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