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In Reply to: RE: Classical music listening issue - high strings posted by jult52 on June 28, 2012 at 10:22:01
I ask as that is my problem with massed strings in orchestras (violins and violas) is I don't like how string instruments sound arco style (played with a bow). Back when I liked classical music I preferred music that stressed the winds, brass and percussion sections of the orchestra.I was never a big fan of orchestral music live, preferring acoustic jazz especially big band and dixieland and blues. I also have a problem with rock music live, even though rock is my favorite style of music as it is often highly distorted live. Oops getting off subject.
In short if you don't like massed strings live in a concert hall, you may just not like massed strings.
I like the violin solos in "Sad Lisa" and "Into White" from Cat Stevens' "Tea For The Tillerman" both played arco style.
On the other hand, if you do like how massed strings sound live it could be something in your system. I second the suggestion of playing some massed strings in an analog format to compare. Or if you have access to any high resolution digital (SACD, DVD-Audio or 24 bit downloads) see if you like massed strings on them as I find them smoother in the highs.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Edits: 07/01/12Follow Ups:
Everyone's free to do as they please, but I just hate when try to impersonate women.
What a rather rude question.
I know there are not many of us in audiophile land. Teresa is my real name and I am a paid writer with checks made out in my name. Here is one of my articles at PF.
Could attitudes like yours be one of the reasons there are not more female audiophiles?
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Sorry. Couldn't resist. :)
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa
I had to sell most of my SACDs during the past year to pay rent and necessities. However first I recorded them to my computer at 24/96 using Audacity. They don't sound quite as good as pure DSD from my SACD player however they still sound excellent. I figured it was better to have 24/96 versions versus being homeless and living on the street.
I am waiting on my disability to kick in, it takes forever. In the meantime my income is $50 every two months, I do get food stamps. Rent is all that I worry about.
The Paavo Jarvi recordings were among the last ones I transferred to 24/96 and even though I have deleted them from my hard-drive with all the other classical works, I still have them on backup DVD-R's if I ever start to liking classical music again. So my remaining Telarc's are jazz SACDs to 24/96 AIFF computer music files.
Currently I have 129 albums on my hard-drive and they breakdown as follows:
Blues 5
Country 2
Folk 9
Jazz 51
Rock 49
Soundtrack 3
World 10
I still have 5 SACDs - all classical and all for sale in the Audio Asylum Trader.
4 24/96 DVDs - Jazz and world music and not for sale.
3 Movie DVDs - all for sale in the Audio Asylum Trader.
In the past I have never went back to music I no longer liked, I have tried though. As you may know I quit liking most symphonies over 5 years ago, with few exceptions such as half of the Mahlers, and a handful of others. Next I couldn't stand to listen to any Mahler Symphony and that was over a year ago. I found myself deleting more and more classical music, I seriously don't think I'll ever like classical music again, however if I do, you can tell me "I told you so".
Here is something else I should say, I have and love every single Rock and Jazz 24 bit music file on my computer that I either downloaded or copied from SACD or DVD-Audio. And before my complete disgust with classical music, I deleted or sold over 90% of what I bought as either not good enough sound, too boring or too atonal. With that high of a rejection rate at first I thought maybe I was too picky. However if one really loves the music such as in my case with rock, jazz and world music one can overlook less than perfect sound.
I now think my 38 years of exploring classical music was a complete waste of time. Today I listened to Duke Ellington's "Blues In Orbit" (SACD to 24/96 music file), "The Body Acoustic" (24/96 Chesky download), and Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Brain Salad Surgery" (DVD-A to 24/96 music file). I am enjoying music more than I have ever before. Dumping classical (for me) has been liberating!
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
... to hear about your health problems and financial troubles. Best of luck to you as you continue to push forward.
"He was one of those men who live in poverty so that their lines of questioning may continue." - John Steinbeck
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Well, for that, Teresa, I certainly feel for you because I know about the rent, lack of funds thing. I still buy an occasional disc, but am selling a bunch of stuff with hopes finances turn soon.
Oh, brother. Now you don't like classical music, but in 6 months, after you've sold everything, you'll love it again. No one takes you seriously Teresa.
(well, not in the sense that you were thinking :-) )
For years, Ms. Teresa has been railing against the RBCD format and how it makes violins sound harsh. NOW, we learn that she doesn't like the sound of real violins because they sound harsh! Not only that, she talks about "formerly" liking classical music. When did she stop liking such music? She continues to talk about it on other fora as if she is an expert (BTW, it's arco not argo - and you were told that several weeks ago in another thread).
So let me get this straight - live orchestral violins sound harsh; recordings of orchestral violins on RBCD sound harsh; ergo, the problem is with RBCD. Seems quite logical to me. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!
Spell check always misses this everything as it's not a misspelling but an incorrect word use. Since I have been calling arco argo for many decades it may take many years for it to sink in that arco is the correct word.BTW while is not as offensive with musical instruments I like the sound of, a combination of violins played with a bow and RBCD is painful for me to endure. With other forms of music such as big band jazz or rock RBCD is merely just not enjoyable.
Real violins heard live are not really harsh just not enjoyable, as long as there is brass, winds and percussion to balance them out they aren't too bad live. In other words I never liked string quartets, string orchestras and violin concertos live. However it is RBCD and only RBCD where violins sound harsh.
It was about two months ago when I woke-up and discovered I didn't like classical music anymore. The weirdest thing that every happened to me, since classical music was my favorite style for 38 years despite the use of string instruments played with a bow.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Edits: 07/01/12
I'm not allowed to post on Hi-Rez Highway, DVD-Audiobon, Digital Drive or Computer Audio Asylum. I mostly post in the General Asylum.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
"NOW, we learn that she doesn't like the sound of real violins because they sound harsh!"
Where did she say that?
I did in answering his post but not in relation to violins played live, I just said I don't like how massed strings sound live in a concert hall.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/music/messages/19/194710.html
In response to krisjan's post I said "Real violins heard live are not really harsh just not enjoyable, as long as there is brass, winds and percussion to balance them out they aren't too bad live. In other words I never liked string quartets, string orchestras and violin concertos live. However it is RBCD and only RBCD where violins sound harsh."
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
In her above post
Alan
"In her above post"
I don't see it anywhere in that post.
I very much like the sound of live strings and solo strings sound absolutely great in my system.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
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