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In Reply to: RE: Then you understand posted by rbolaw on June 20, 2012 at 19:32:09
You do realize that anything streamed can be recorded, don't you? Limiting to streaming will do nothing. They are outside the system, it does not matter what the system is. Emily will not pay for her music because she sees no reason to. As you say, it's worthless.
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to eliminate illegal downloads. I guess that's where we don't see eye to eye. The music suppliers don't have to let their customers download the music at all. That's what the Berlin Philharmonic is doing with its concert videos. You pay, you can see them for a while, then you can never see them again. You never get a downloaded file you can share with your friends. If piracy becomes too big a problem, that's the future, IMO.I guess there will always be hackers who can crack the code and beat the system. But as long as it is difficult and expensive to do that, pirates shouldn't be able to beat the industry.
Edit: Also, good luck to you and GEO in "educating" the younger generation. I respectfully suggest it's a hopeless task for the two of you. But once the companies that control our internet, satellite, cable and cell phone access focus on taking over the music distribution business, they will learn a major lesson in Economics 101.
Edits: 06/21/12
I could make a DVD of the Berlin Philharmonic stuff no problem. If it can be viewed/heard it can be digitally reproduced ad infinitum.
Even with the sophisticated encryption system now being used with HD DVD and Blu-ray, hackers are hard at work trying to beat the system. But the industry doesn't have to defeat the hackers completely, which might be a nearly impossible task. They just have to slow them down.
I remember discovering as a kid that not only could I make my own cassette tapes of LPs and radio broadcasts, they were vastly superior to the far more expensive commercial cassettes. (I'm guessing you figured that out, too.) I didn't want to cheat, but I did want and felt I deserved the best possible product. A lot of us became home tapers until the industry came up with something much better than the cassette -- the CD. After that, my copying days pretty much ended, though the counterfeit CD factories in China were just getting started.
Kids today aren't much different, nor are the pirates. The industry can and will come up with something better than iTunes, and kids will buy it the way we bought CDs. The hackers will try to keep hacking, but high quality, reasonably priced, legal products will sell.
There is nothing "difficult" or "expensive" about it."Kids today aren't much different, nor are the pirates."
Yes, they are quite different. Rather than making a cassette copy of an lp, in less than two minutes they are making an exact copy of the entire store which can be replicated and distributed ad infinitum. That impacts the picture quite differently. As a friend said, it's the difference between grabbing an apple off the pile at the supermarket and getting a bunch of friends together to back a semi up to the supermaket and clean the whole place out, for about the same cost/time/effort. It's a different result.
And to clarify, I don't think the "pirates" are the biggest problem. As you say, they will exist regardless. No doubt there is a black market for Macbooks. The difference is how Emily feels about buying a stolen Macbook compared to copying a hard drive of music.
As for the "two of us" educating a generation, I'll do my part. You'll notice that the article has now had over half a million views, and you might read some of the comments to get an idea of other people's views on the subject.
Edits: 06/21/12
Looks like the hackers who had found a way in to the Berlin Phil's Digital Concert Hall for free have recently run up against some encryption barriers. Some encryption beating will be necessary, though some hacker will no doubt succeed soon enough. My point was that if the product is good enough and low priced enough, the pirates are a lot less relevant.
"My point was that if the product is good enough and low priced enough, the pirates are a lot less relevant."And this is where we disagree, if $.99 is too expensive for someone, the price isn't the issue.
Edits: 06/21/12
I would have to agree. This is not about price. I told that to a friend of mine a few years ago. I told him he would steal music as long a he could because he has no ethics.....because it is easy to do, he believes there is nothing wrong with it.....his argument, if they don't want me to get it for free then THEY should figure out a way to prevent it....a whole generation of kids think that way....
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