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In Reply to: RE: Hey Jonesy, you do Oompa Radar or Are You Human? posted by JBen on February 04, 2017 at 21:02:44
Sounds like you already got your $3 worth :)
I just looked on amazon.ca and they had one for $ 0.39 plus $3.49 shipping! I ordered it.
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There you go Watts, you beat me :) Mine was really $3.99 because of the Prime 2-day delivery.Now, about Norah Jones, I read your comment last night. This morning, I went for my weekly long walk at the Swap Shop. This is a huge local kind-of flea market here in South Florida. Figured I'd look around to see if the CD would show up used for sale. Typical dumb me, I failed to observe the title of the CD -- which you did include in your posting. So, I bought the only one I found. For one buck, it was a good risk.
Well, there's something to be said for good ol' dumb luck; it turned out to be the one! I'll let you know where the voice shows up relative to the other tracks in a few days.
Edits: 02/05/17
Regarding images emanating from a plane in front of the speakers, my experience has been that for this effect to be created, tube electronics are pretty much required. But then I've never heard some of the real expensive Pass etc. stuff.
Edits: 02/06/17
Yes, BDP24, that would have been my own impression until 2009. That's because tubes are so good at creating ample soundfields easily (not necessarily defined soundstages or 3D imaging, which they can also do well at times).However, in 2009, a set of "factors" colluded to make my MMG's recreate this phenomena while driven by just a Denon receiver. This forced me to question quite a few things that I had always thought were "a given".
Amusingly for them, in a matter of days I began to ask visitors to point to where they perceived certain elements on the soundstage. The majority of them chose the very same points in 3D space as I perceived them. (The few that did not, actually helped me to understand part of the factors that allow the phenomena to happen.)
Once I was sure that I was not "hearing things", I think I posted something that year about one of the pieces that projected sound. I am at work now but I may be able to find it later.
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I saw Pink Floyd "Pulse" and Pink Floyd "Is There Anybody Out There" Listed as CDs with Q-Sound.They were both recorded live.Does anybody hve those discs and know how they sound?
I can't speak to those ones, but I hate to admit that I have the Madonna Immaculate collection, and some of the sounds are surround. Doesn't make me want to listen to it again though :(
And Bryan Adams 18 till I die is surprisingly on the list too. I listened to my copy of it and heard no special ambience. It doesn't say anything on the credits to the effect either.
I will also confirm that the thunder sound in Amused to Death does is fact come from behind my head! and the horse with bells (track 8) travels in front of the speaker plane by a few feet.
It was not until Thursday that I could spend some quality time with the Norah Jones CD. The summary of the delightful session:-- Real nice recordings of her voice and the ensemble in an ample enough soundstage (wall-erasing wide) and at times with solid 3D imaging. There is also one outstanding surround-sounding piece (more later).
-- Pretty much always, her voice is solidly centered, endearingly warm and textured, and pretty much forward. However, at no time did it go forward of the plane of my speakers.
-- "Cold Cold Heart", which you perceived as perhaps passing the plane, did not do so in my system. It generally behaved as the rest of the songs in space. That said, this rhythmic song features a very active role by the bass player which is mixed in at the center, right behind Norah's voice. I bet that this can trigger a perceived forward-of-plane perception of her voice, in some system configurations.
-- More to the point, my system is being reconfigured. In its previous config, a few recordings did easily project into that forward-of-the-plane center spot that you perceived Norah in. Off the top of my head, I can only remember Lee Ritenour's guitar always doing so. This was in one of the pieces in the "Amparo" album. In fact, I believe that a strong bass and the robust piano are playing behind it. If you have it, the piece may be called "Joropo Peligroso", if my brain cell is still on (it's 2:30am).
All in all, it actually was a curious evening. While I began with Norah, most of the night was then devoted to Tchaikovsky's first movement of the Concerto No.1 in B-flat minor (played by Igor Zhukov, piano; an oldie but mouth-watering performance.)
This was done for my listening pleasure while also measuring its SPL peaks at full blast volume (0db passive). After a few hours of this very enchanting performance - despite several repetitions - I was also very satisfied that I had captured the measurements with the microphone.
It was close to midnight and, suddenly, a particular song from Norah's CD begged to be played again. And so, I ended the night's pleasures with "The Long Day Is Over".
When played earlier in the evening this piece took sound-field ownership of the full room, much into the adjacent room to one side, and well into my neighbor's apartment to the other side. And I mean front to back. It is significantly different in imaging from the other pieces in the album. It also is a beautiful piece. And it is yet another example of a recording mix that planars can use to display surround sound impressively.
Edits: 02/11/17
It is not hard to understand why this album has sold over 10 million copies :) Not often a "pop" album has been recorded well enough to appeal to audiophiles as well.
Unfortunately won't get a chance to listen until later this week. I used to play them both a lot but always in the background, not in "my chair."
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
I ordered Pulse because I like P.F. and their LPs and CDs usually have been very good sounding.Hopefully it will be here by the weekend.
Got a chance to listen to first two songs on Pulse. Holy smokes. Can you say "guitar". Really fills the soundstage. Crowd down below and all the way past the speakers. Poor Nick, his drums in the background. Vocals laid back a bit whereas Roger Waters would probably be more prominent if he was present. Nice sax imaging.
I didn't feel as immersed as Amused to Death in regards to Q sound. But then it's studio vs live and you don't get the black backgrounds with crowd noise present.
The talent and song writing. Was nice to revisit and feel those shivers again.
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
I had a chance to listen to one of the two Pulse CDs as well.I agree with the above review on it being well recorded with good imaging.Most of my Pink Floyd is on vinyl and I found that the vinyl renditions have better low bass than the Pulse CD.
"In The Flesh" has more bass. Otherwise, like Pulse, same good imaging. Again it's "live", can't really say excellent imaging in terms of being immersed. I checked out "Ummm Gumma" live CD out of curiosity. Realized my search was heading in wrong direction so wound the session down. Except for "Ummm Gumma", I don't have any live PF or RW on vinyl.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
Do you have In "The Flesh" On CD? is it good?
In the Flesh is good. Pulse CD and Video typical Pink Floyd/David Gilmour with the music and imagery at the forefront. In the Flesh CD and Video more dramatic in the usual Roger Waters way. It's interesting to hear the same songs delivered differently. I'm a big fan of Water's solo stuff too. They are nicely done.
Roger Waters is surprisingly less camera shy In the Flesh" and it's nice to see. Video highly recommended as well.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
I will look into Flesh.My wife and I listened to some of the other CD in Pulse which are DSOTM selections.It also sounded quite good.Sitting in the middle seemed to be more critical than usual for some reason for the best imaging.We also played Alan Parsons Turn of a Friendly Card & Steely Dan Gaucho lPs which were both excellent for sound stage & imaging.
nt
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
Look forward to comparing some notes next week.
Cheers!
Ed
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
I have/had a copy of Pulse on CD and a copy of the video. One of them went mysteriously missing. I can't remember which. Will look around over the next couple days.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
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