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took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin'

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Green Lantern

Not that I'm superstitions (Fri 13th), I've just got a few things to do. I'll probably go to HD buy some wheels and move the two beast around the room (thanks Grant for the tip on your Myestands). Currently I have them positioned tweeters-in (going on 6 months now), will switch back to tweeters out and see how that compares. Also I've had the panels at a 'humane' 5 feet out, but I still crave for more depth within the soundstage so I'll experiment with that as well.

But I have to say as it stands this current setup is perhaps the best I've ever owned in terms of resolution, soundstage, accuracy. I recently bought a GFP 750 off a fellow on Audiomart for $600 (came w/o remote but I bought one off Adcom's website for $100). I have a Marantz CD5004 I'm using as a transport that feeds into a ML #36 DAC. The Quicksilvers were a magical addition which only gets better day after day.

Weakest link-without question is cables. It's a montage of a mixed mess, so that will be my next quest. My plan is do all interconnects the diy pure silver/cardas interconnects I had in the past. My source however (homegrown audio) is unfortunately no longer around. I'll have to ding the fellows in the DIY forum for advice in that regard.

The only drawback in my system at this point is the lack of the 'spookiness/goosebump factor' regarding vocals. I remember my old MG1.6 had this effect nailed to the wall: pinpoint- in the room, damn-near holographic vocals was a daily treat. Currently the vocals although sound sweet, they're not as pinpoint. And yes, yes, yes, I know my room is a nightmare with the glass entertainment center, TV and all sorts of crap tossed in...My aim is to tackle these issues and recreate the vocal effect 'by any means necessary' without visually killing the room. I also suspect the room size vs panel size plays the greatest factor.

In any event wish me luck because again, it's Fri the 13th and anything can happen especially when placing wheels on a 150lb, 7' beast around hot glass tubes in a confined space. Fortunately the kids are home from college and will help -if I can pry them away from their room!

Follow Ups:

RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - watts 08:59:23 01/15/17 (2)
First: how is the sound?
Second: how is the back?
- RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - Green Lantern 11:37:07 01/15/17 (1)
  Well I spent most of Fri morning getting my wife's windshield repaired. She caught a pebble on the freeway earlier in the week. Thanks again to the rain.
  I haven't swapped sides yet with the tweeters; going to wait for the wheels to arrive in the mail (HD didn't have the 1/2" threaded wheels).
  Using moving pads for now which allows toe-in and a couple feet fwd/rearward; any other movement makes them jump off the spike disc and pierce right through the plastic. But for $8 for all 8 you can't beat them.
  I like the panels forward, improves the sound stage; right now they're 4' from the entertainment center which itself is 2' deep from the forward wall; so a total of 6'. Listening to Smiles from Miles and his horn is dead center but still a tad smeared.
  As far as the glass doors of the entertainment center goes I was going to create a carboard mat with black felt to fit where the glass is located but then I thought ' hell just open the f'ers! LoL'...result is extremely noticeable, the open cabinet space even acts as a bit of a diffuser. Focus is improved but more work is need to be done. I could remove the doors altogether but I'm not at that point ....yet lol .
  The TV is a whole 'nother matter; I guess the only way around it is to cover it with a blanket or just simply deal with it.
  Excuse the cables, those are my next project; I won't bore anyone here about them but I'll be posting it on the DIY asylum later today.
  
  Edits: 01/15/17
  - RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - russ69 13:38:01 01/15/17 (0)
    You really need to come out a little further. When you hit the right spot everything will snap into place.
RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - josh358 17:40:47 01/14/17 (0)
Hey, good luck1

Still not totally pleased with my soundstage either, though it's improved progressively as I fiddle. I did some experimenting with listening position -- tried moving it forward to get myself 2' off the rear wall. This puts me only 5' away from the mid-tweeter panels, which, however, are only 18" wide so not overbearing. I think I like what I hear, but have to experiment with the separation of the panels themselves, they're now too far apart and when I toe them in to put myself on axis they don't sound right.

Today, was going to fix the listening room radiator but wasted time reading about amplifier mods instead. So tomorrow, and then the room should be warm enough to do more experiments, repair the delam ,and figure out how to fix the coil that keeps popping out of one speaker despite my attempts to hot glue it back in . . . and I got a silent power supply and video card for my HTPC, have to install that too.
RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - watts 07:59:46 01/14/17 (7)
I noticed in a few of your videos you posted you went from tweets in to tweets out. I may have to experiment with tweeters in for a change; I haven't adjusted them much in the last 4 years...

so much is changing in my system: I have tried my new DAC direct into the amps and the sound is so different: treble is forward, and the bass is much less boomy. Last week the best thing I could do is make more tube traps, this week I am considering ordering some different filter modules from Marchand. But I will try speaker placement first.
- RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - josh358 17:42:47 01/14/17 (6)
  I'm having trouble with midbass boominess -- very high Q so I only hear it on the occasional recording. I think it's being caused by the cavity formed by my fireplace mantle and the adjoining walls . . . one of my woofers is right in it.
  - RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - watts 17:52:19 01/14/17 (5)
    Should be pretty easy to fetch a scrap piece of drywall and cover the fireplace opening...or plywood? should give you a quick answer if that is what is causing the boom.
    - RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - josh358 18:43:00 01/14/17 (4)
      I think it's actually the space to the left of the mantle. I've filled in the fireplace itself with an electric fireplace (chimney is now filled with other stuff and it has a gas pipe but I didn't want a ventless gas fireplace), so I don't think it has much effect:
      
      (The speaker was leaning because the floor is uneven -- I've since propped it up.)
      - RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - watts 07:01:24 01/15/17 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' posted by josh358 on January 14, 2017 at 18:43:00
        
        ah, I see what you mean. I don't think you want to permanently close that section in, but if you have the ability to go to a home hardware and get a full sheet of drywall and cut it to size to just fit, maybe some short 2 x 4's to hold it against the wall, it would only be about a ten-dollar experiment?? Most walls in peoples sound rooms are built the same; a stud every 12-16 inches won't make a difference to anything greater than 100hz.
        
        As far as straight vertical speakers the Mye stands are fantastic for leveling them with the screw adjustable brass points at each 4 corners. I have my spikes in carpet, and a take a 6' level to make sure they are plumb (vertical)in both planes. Over time they need rechecking because the spikes will settle into the carpet and carpet pad; and then I move the speakers and have to do it again!
        
        RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - josh358 09:32:36 01/15/17 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' posted by watts on January 15, 2017 at 07:01:24
        
        I've thought of putting a bookcase there with doors, the space is 12" deep. Unfortunately, I don't have enough width so have the right hand speaker against the wall in the depression. I'm thinking of separating the woofer panels -- a single midwoofer planel could touch the left of the mantle. Then I could combine the low bass panels and put them at the other end of the room.
        
        So, basically, still experimenting.
        
        Mye stands would be great, but very costly for the six panels of a Tympani! Anyway, as I said, I'm still experimenting and the floor is bent every which way, so for now I'm just propping stuff under it. I may end up moving the radiator at the left too -- I spoke to the plumber about it. The problem is he might have to open up the wall to move it and I'm not sure I want to deal with that.
        
        RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - Satie 16:49:29 01/15/17 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' posted by josh358 on January 15, 2017 at 09:32:36
        
        I was also thinking you could plug the cavity by the fireplace with a bookcase. Easy and not permanent and gives you some storage in the room.
        
        RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - josh358 13:28:08 01/16/17 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' posted by Satie on January 15, 2017 at 16:49:29
        
        I was thinking about doing it when I wanted to orient the speakers the other way. Now I think ti will depend on what I ultimately do with the woofers. Right now, I need all the width I can get, but if the split woofer experiment works I'm hoping to move the RH midwoofer so that it's touhing the left hand edge of the mantle. That would leave the entire space open and a bookcase there would be handy.
RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - Satie 23:29:37 01/13/17 (0)
hope it all works out. the speakers can definitely do the pinpoint vocals, but you need to give them space and control reflections.

I have a suggestion for your confined space and pesky entertainment center furniture. A tall 2d diffuser panel you can just setup in front of the entertainment center while listening and out of the way when not.

The other alternate is the tall fake ficus placed between the back of the speaker and halfway to the center spot between them.. .
RE: news at General - M3 lover 09:26:29 01/13/17 (1)
GL, if you have any Tower of Power that could be a suggestion for today after your move is done.

Hope those guys come out alright and the band can continue with them.

"The piano ain't got no wrong notes." Thelonious Monk
- RE: news at General - Green Lantern 10:24:57 01/13/17 (0)
  hoping for a speedy recover to those guys!
RE: took today off, supposed to rain all day, gonna do some seeeerious jammin' - stustan 07:26:43 01/13/17 (0)
I wish I could come over and play with you!!!!!!

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