• RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - volumezero 20:41:58 11/01/15 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by volumezero on November 01, 2015 at 05:26:55

  Mark,
  
  Thanks so much for the link and your valuable input.
  Ideally I would like to by good quality used or demo but unfortunately I'm in Bangkok and my choices are pretty limited :(
  

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• RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Satie 10:16:15 11/01/15 (4)
  In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by volumezero on November 01, 2015 at 05:26:55

  You should do well with the larger Rogue Pharoah hybrid integrated at 1/3rd less
  
  The W4S ST 500 and the new Emotiva preamp (not the older model that was a lesser performer), are also well within the price range and should do better on power.
  
  Also consider a classic tube preamp with a modern class D amp - particularly like the Rogue hybrids using the Hypex current generation of boards, which are very highly regarded.
  
  The Parasound A21 is a great choice and often comes up on the used market.
  
  If you are a tube guy then consider a 100 watt tube amp since you are intending to get a subwoofer. If you cut off the speakers at about 60-80 hz you don't need as much power.
  

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  • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Utley1 14:47:14 11/01/15 (3)
    In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Satie on November 01, 2015 at 10:16:15

    I have heard the Rogue several times in NJ with the 1.7's. They had no bite at the bottom...Solid sate power is cheap and many companies offer more than satisfactory products at ridiculously reasonable prices Odyssey, Emotiva..
    

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    • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Satie 11:03:32 11/03/15 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Utley1 on November 01, 2015 at 14:47:14

      Occurred to me that you were referring to the Rogue Pharaoh not a tube Rogue. was that the case?
      

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      • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Utley1 11:33:13 11/03/15 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Satie on November 03, 2015 at 11:03:32

        The listening occurred five years ago. I had my heart set on tube amplification for the 1.7's . I believe it was the Cronos Magnum -=one step down from the top of the line. I brought organ music abd Mahler's 8th Symphony and it puffed and huffed. . I did hear it with the VTL and it was different story but the the latter was 3X the price. Maggies work with tube amps(I do not think I am alone in this) only with the very best tube amplification.I heard the the 3.7"s with big ARC's, and it did surpass a solid state Canadian amp of that was 2/3's price but it was close.
        High current solid state amplification, does a credible job in involving me in the music I listen to. I get depth , , detail and a sense of the performance space from relatively inexpensive high current amplification with plenty of listed 4 OHM power. But obviously not the round sound of strings or the roundness in a moment intense singing of a dramatic baritone. I was addressing $ limitations the person on the message board. I do not know what Rogue does now and do not mean to disparage their equipment . The 1.7's can deliver an amazing illusion of bass with high current solid state equipment that is inexpensive. Why pay 5X more for Krell? More sense to go the 3.7i way. Hope I am not too much a bore.
        

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    • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Satie 09:19:54 11/02/15 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Utley1 on November 01, 2015 at 14:47:14

      Which is why I put in the caveat of the subwoofer. 100 watter tube amps on a budget can't swing the deep bass of a planar, what there is of it.
      
      If you want to play a medium planar full range on a tube amp then you start with a sea of tubes amp like a VTL Wotan or Siegfried.
      

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• RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Mark Man 07:47:45 11/01/15 (5)
  In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by volumezero on November 01, 2015 at 05:26:55

  Have not heard the Vanguard, but at 400 watts into 4 ohms you should be fine...IMHO...a very good choice...
  
  Are you looking at the Vanguard or the Vanguard digital?
  
  I have not heard any of the JL Audio subs, so I cannot comment on that...but with Maggies it is all about getting them to blend...
  
  Sounds like that combo of the Krell and Maggie 1.7i's should be a good match...IMHO...
  
  Good luck
  Thanks
  Mark
  
  
  

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  • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - volumezero 08:00:48 11/01/15 (4)
    In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Mark Man on November 01, 2015 at 07:47:45

    Thanks for your input. I'm opting for the digital because it opens up more choices for input.
    As for the Jl subs will try it out and see how it matches.
    

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    • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Mark Man 08:06:58 11/01/15 (3)
      In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by volumezero on November 01, 2015 at 08:00:48

      That is the way I would go to...if I was to downsize that one would be the integrated to try on the top of my list...are you buying new or used? I do see quite a few come up on Audiogon, but not too many of the digital version...
      
      I have heard allot of great things about the JL Audio subs...IMHO...it just needs to be really fast...that Maggie bass is soooo tight and fast...
      
      I was impressed on how low the 1.7i's go...really surprised me...
      
      Thanks
      Mark
      
      
      

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      • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - DrChaos 16:33:38 11/05/15 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Mark Man on November 01, 2015 at 08:06:58

        At THE show in Irvine this year (formerly Newport), there was a room with Magnepan .7's and 2 high-end JL Audio subwoofers with electronic crossovers (maybe some DSP?).
        
        It was one of the very best in the place---the integration and texture was stunningly good. Clearly they spent effort on setup, but it certainly shows that Maggies and good subwooferage can be combined very well.
        

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      • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - volumezero 08:16:33 11/01/15 (1)
        In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by Mark Man on November 01, 2015 at 08:06:58

        I'm buying new (pretty pricey around $6,600+) 'cause I don't think I can find used here.
        
        I hope the subs will pair nicely with them. Keeping my fingers crossed.
        
        

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        • RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard - Mark Man 08:38:30 11/01/15 (0)
          In Reply to: RE: 1.7i and krell vanguard posted by volumezero on November 01, 2015 at 08:16:33

          I am a used or demo guy...just plain cheap you might say...85% of my rig is used...I did look on www.audiogon.com just now and no Vanguards for sale currently...
          
          IMHO...the Vanguard would work with the 3.7i's also...I am currently running a Sanders Magtech, which is a great match for Maggies...but also a $5500 amp...CJ CT-5 Preamp...that combo used was $7500...plus more cables verses integrated...and no DAC required with the Vanguard...great value...
          
          I posted a list of dealers if you want to ask about demo's or trade-ins...I do understand buying local and supporting your local dealer...maybe a good package price?? Or ask if he has a demo Vanguard Digital...
          
          Maggies most of the time go for MSRP not allot of room for dealers to discount...but at full retail they are still a great value...
          
          I do think you subs will be fine....
          Thanks
          Mark
          

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