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In Reply to: RE: No Joy in Vegas, T1Ds have a dead panel posted by Satie on August 18, 2015 at 09:50:54
"I don't think that is enough, the T IVA crossover would need to be modified in order to give the same kind of performance on piano that I think OT is expecting from his T-1D."
As for myself, the IV-A and piano recordings, I'll simply quote the final line from a once very popular Billy Joel song: "I love you just the way you are".
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Not to say that the T IVa is deficient in portraying piano. It is very much a top performer. Just that conversion to 1st order (and changing the mids to the faster Neo8 drivers contributed to that) did more for piano reproduction.It enhanced timing perception, and both the percussion aspect of piano sound and harmonics - as in room reverberation and longer decay of the soundboard output.
Are you saying that a piano sounds better on the T IVa?
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It is not that simple. The ribbon tweeter gives the T IVA an edge in detail and resolution. However, timing percussive sounds and dynamics and resolution in upper mids are better in the T-1D at the critical octave about 1khz to 3khz.. Deep bass is better on the T-IVa bass panels, particularly if power is limited.
IF you modify the T IVA to 1st order you may have a bit of a limit on top end power handling, but the speaker becomes killer on piano. I believe you can get the same results with an aftermarket add on ribbon or AMT supertweeter for the T-1D you can match that performance. .
Thanks, I like classical most of the time, when I listen to "other stuff" it's usually casual when I'm not alone. When I'm in the mood it drives my 14 yr old crazy.... well my wife too....
I am fond of my 12" pressing of Sunset Grill tho....
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I listen to classical mostly and play jazz between large classical works..
How do the T1D's sound compared to 3.6's or 3.7's?
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With Norm on this one.
Add an aftermarket ribbon supertweeter to the T 1D and the 3.x models are just toys in comparison.
How much do they cost? Will I have to mess with crossover?
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Generally speaking you add the supertweeter with its own high pass filter but don't alter your speaker's crossover. But you could if you wanted.
There are canned devices and you can simply buy a ribbon tweeter and add it in with your own high pass filter running off the speaker cables. It is more involved but not difficult.
A few options
Cheap AMT
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-amt-mini-8-air-motion-transformer-tweeter-8-ohm--275-095
Ribbon tweeter (with horn, which you would probably not want)
http://www.parts-express.com/aurum-cantus-g2-ribbon-tweeter--276-402
Without horn very high performance
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ribbon-tweeters/raal-70-10d-raal-ribbon-tweeter-with-optional-amorphous-core/
Never having lived with the 1D I really can't say too much about it, since I only heard them in showrooms. OTOH I have about 40 years of experience with the T1C and IV-A, and also own a 3.6 (which I refuse to waste any time listening to).
Tympanis have their way of captivating and holding my complete attention, which no speaker that I ever auditioned did. A word of warning however, I found the Tympanis to be addictive; set-up properly I would never settle for anything else. Tear down any walls if you must because (IMO) the 3.6 is but a mockery of them.
LOL Thank you so much Norman,, I have actually been thinking of building a room just for them......
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