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In Reply to: RE: 4 pairs of Apogee Full Range on Audiogon posted by David Yost on July 24, 2015 at 15:14:20
1.7 + DWM or subs is a nice combo but is no Duetta. See if you can afford having one of the "authorized" Graz techs do the work at somewhere near what you can afford.
It is sad that the old big Apogees are so expensive to repair. They are still at the top of my favorites list.
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Satie, what do you like about the Apogee sound vs Maggies? I am very curious just to know, what the difference is sound wise.
Things have improved in maggies over the years so the differences are not quite as sharp as they used to be.Most significant is midrange clarity and lack of compression till you hit ~100 db or so. The 20.1 and now 20.7 may have gotten this to the same level with thinner mylar and foil instead of wire. The simpler XO in the .7 series maggies should help too.
Second is bass extension on the larger Apogees. and less compression till you get to high volumes. Compression in the Tympani was noticeable even at "moderately" loud mid 90s db.It is only when you brace them that onset of obvious compression goes up into the mid 100s db.
wall loading the Tympani or other maggies by setting them perpendicular at the sidewalls helps extension - but the same would be true with an Apogee so I can't say it would would be a differentiating factor.
To get the clarity and lack compression in the mids that I wanted so much once I heard it on the big Apogee, I went to a line array of Neo8, now apparently unavailable. I think that with its capacity to play cleanly > 110 db it outdoes the apogee. This also improved substantially the performance at lower volumes, a serious problem for many with the wire maggies that is apparently not a problem with the current line of foil models..
Edit: The imaging of the compound ribbon tweeter and midrange is still something you don't quite get from anything else. It is sort of like a concentric line source. I get close by having the Neo8 operate well into the 10khz range and above, and I have been tempted to mount the tweeter in front of the mids the way Newform mount their mid/tweeter in front of the line of dynamic woofers.
Withe the Tympani braced and wall loaded the bass matches and perhaps surpasses what I remember from the big Apogees. But then I suspect similar treatment of the Apogees would provide them with similar improvements in extension and dynamic capacity.
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Edits: 07/27/15
Hello from France. When I go to the hifi shows, I have not listened to loudspeakers under 15000 euros and more which are better than my apogee calliper signature.
Outside the USA it's expensive to get magnepan repaired.
What struck me with apogee are the impression of the sound not getting compressed when it's going loud first and you can listen the calliper in a small room it's more difficult for magnepan 3.5 (I tried)
Edits: 07/27/15
Sad indeed. In the Graz model I have to pay for parts and shipping from down under which is OK; then the US repairers labor which exceeds its value to me and then the round trip shipping of all that MDF and steel from me to the repairer. I live in Seattle and the nearest authorized repairer is in Nevada. I could buy 3.7 for all that and have a warranty. I'm just not that crazy....yet. There is a set of 6 YouTube videos showing woofer replacement.
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