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Do you recommend hypnosis or something more drastic, like Mad Cow?

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Audiophilander

In Reply to: RE: But Dave, posted by Davey on June 23, 2015 at 12:12:19

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Now what was the topic again? ;0)

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RE: Do you recommend hypnosis or something more drastic, like Mad Cow? - Davey 18:02:39 06/23/15 (5)
It was just a suggestion and I realize I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
I don't mind people who are ignorant, but it's the ones who are ignorant and not willing to learn that are easily separated from their money.
But, obviously you can spend your money however you see fit.

Cheers,

Dave.
- Suggestions are appreciated. - Audiophilander 01:56:07 06/24/15 (4)
  So is a sense of humor. Sorry if I offended you. It was just my way of keeping things light. I wasn't berating your suggestions.
  
  Just so we're clear on one point, I've tried other types of cable including oxygen free 12 gauge speaker wire similar to what you recommended. I kept a roll of it around (originally my Gallo Solos were hooked up with clear sheathed 12 gauge wire before checking out other cable that I preferred after upgrading to Gallo References).
  
  The JIB cable I'm using with my Maggies does sound better to my ears than other cables I've tried, but I won't rule out the placebo effect any more than I'd rule out real world variations in my hearing from the next guy's. I don't consider folks "ignorant" regardless of whether they take my advice, but I suppose everyone's mileage varies. Hey, who knows, maybe my ears are ignorant.
  
  All the best,
  AuPh
  - RE: Suggestions are appreciated. - Satie 09:24:20 06/25/15 (2)
    Cables are only partially defined by their LCR characteristics as they have structural properties that make a difference as does stranding, and the metal annealing also changes the results without having a measurable effect on L C or R..
    
    Generally I would avoid any stranded cable that is not silver coated. I would also avoid anything with a PVC dielectric. That said, I did try to use these cables for years and built my own cables in various geometries from other wires and nearly anything is better than this. I don't have a problem using those PVC cables for bass but they should be cut down by an inch or so from each end every few years as they oxidize. As far as gauge sizing, get a cable with 10X the cross section required by the power duty calculation
    
    Rely on your ears while keeping in mind that you will make mistakes. Take HP's dictum of the TAS. You can use your hearing if you trained yourself for it with exposure to varied live acoustic music over a period of years. That is the only way you can judge when the recording system and room give you a realistic portrayal or a recorded performance. With processed electronic music there is no standard as an unnatural sounding result at the studio is specifically sought. There is hardly any unamplified pop that is not close miked (think "unplugged" alt rock) so has an entirely artificial acoustic on the recording.
    - RE: Suggestions are appreciated. - Davey 13:13:09 06/25/15 (1)
      Different structural properties would/might change the LCR characteristics. But if it doesn't, then there will be no audible change (from the LCR aspect.)
      There is also RFI/EMI to consider and the wires might be susceptible to pickup from outside sources. This is why I qualified my earlier statement with the "nearly completely defined."
      
      I know this is a hard one to swallow, but cables are not rocket science. Rather, in the world of high-end audio they're almost completely marketing. :)
      
      Cheers,
      
      Dave.
      - RE: Suggestions are appreciated. - Satie 14:19:03 06/25/15 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Suggestions are appreciated. posted by Davey on June 25, 2015 at 13:13:09
        
        While I agree that marketing makes mountains out of molehill issues and some stuff is totally bogus, There is plenty of DIY experience documented on various geometries and material choices where no marketing is involved. Some are pretty explicit about the particular SQ performance aspects they value and where their designs don't do well.
        
        I don't buy speaker cables at all, I build them for my purposes.. In interconnects I let it go and bought JPS Superconductors when the next iteration came out and the old cables were plentiful and at deep discounts on the used market. I have not managed to make as well balanced an interconnect as that on my own but have managed to exceed its performance in particular qualities at the expense of others. Differences are not particularly subtle.
  - RE: Suggestions are appreciated. - Davey 07:46:55 06/24/15 (0)
    Speaker wires are (nearly) completely defined by their LCR characteristics. If you're interested in learning and not just posting silly analogies there is plenty of good information on the interweb. However, you won't find it on websites from manufacturers who sell high-dollar speaker wire/cables (like JIB.) :)
    There's good profit in it.....that's why so many people sell cables. :)
    
    However, if you're going to judge everything subjectively, then you're lost. :)
    
    Dave.

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