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In Reply to: RE: This argument smacks of some engineers' belief that if they can't measure it... posted by jeffreybehr on November 02, 2014 at 11:46:03
Subjective evaluation, by definition, doesn't require empirical data to back up a conclusion. Yet I'm the one who's arrogant? Classic!!And it gets even better because subjective evaluation IS considered empirical data by a subjectivist. Once again, how surreal is that? :)
I also think you fellas should re-read my posts very carefully and not knee-jerk into these strawman replies.
If somebody could just explain to me the mechanism that makes a coil directional in an AC circuit, I'll stipulate and admit I'm wrong. :)
My goodness.
Dave.
Edits: 11/02/14 11/02/14Follow Ups:
...but I don't need to understand the physics of why that can be possible. If a trusted audiofile tells us that he can hear differences in careful, controlled tests, then I believe him whether I can hear those differences or not. We're back to 'if I can't measure it, it doesn't exist' argument in the form of 'if I can't understand the physics of it, the difference can't (or at least doesn't) exist'. Don't you think that the universe's people get smarter over time? That our understanding of physics has improved over the last 5 or 500 years? That the audio industry knows how to make better-sounding...say...capacitors than they did 20 years ago? Do you really believe that sonic differences don't exist unless you, right now, understand the physics of the situation?
I believe that EVERY change to a music-reproduction system changes its sound whether I can hear it or not. What do you believe about that?
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Tin-eared audiofool, large-scale-Classical music lover, and damned-amateur fotografer.
William Bruce Cameron: "...not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."
"I believe that EVERY change to a music-reproduction system changes its sound whether I can hear it or not. What do you believe about that?"
I don't believe that. :) Certain "changes" simply can not alter the sound of a system.
What if I changed/reversed the connections of my (symmetrical) speaker wires at both ends? Does that change my systems sound?
What if I changed/reversed the connections of my speaker wires at just one end? Does that change my systems sound? In that case it might because of even-order distortion in the speaker drivers since they're probably asymmetrical.
The first case is black/white but the second case is gray.
Certainly there's a gray area here between black and white on various evaluations. When you venture out of that gray area with conclusions it gets tricky. That's when guys like me might challenge you. :)
As I've said NUMEROUS times, subjective evaluations are incontrovertible and I can't argue with them. Find me a post where I said "if I can't measure it, it doesn't exist."
These strawman replies are really getting irritating. :)
Dave.
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