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In Reply to: RE: Just more speculation IMO! posted by Potrzebie on September 12, 2014 at 15:33:30
Perhaps you have posted this before, but I'm curious why you prefer the 3.6 to the newer version.
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The 3.6 has lower bass, is warmer, and smoother than the 3.7i IMO.I heard them in a room similar to mine with LP's.
I know I am in the minority, but then, I feel most audiophiles are wrong, most of the time!
Edits: 09/12/14
"I heard them in a room similar to mine with LP's."
Just riffing on this comment...
We all have to trust our own ears, and I in no way dispute the validity of your conclusions for that room, with that set up, that equipment and your preferences.
I will add that any minor difference of an inch or two in positioning or toe in results in a substantial change in sound of the 3.7i, at least in my room. Two inches of additional toe in and I can transform the bass from tight and detailed to much deeper and fuller but a bit flabbier. And depending upon the music, sometimes I prefer one sound other times the other.
That combined with the fact that the recommended set up instructions changed from the 6 to the 7, complicates matters. The sixes have a recommended five to ten degree toe in which recommends time alignment via placing bass closer than the tweeters. The sevens are designed to be aimed with tweets straight on at the listener.
Thus, a comparison of sixes vs sevens in the exact same location is likely to result in different tradeoffs of sound. Comparing them in different set ups introduces a bunch of different tradeoffs which are bound to be quite room specific.
After 500 hours and countless setup experiments I will confidently state that in my room and my gear and my preferences that the 3.7is have more upper and mid bass and less low bass than my 27 year old IIIas. In some set ups that means they sound better, in other set ups they sound worse. In almost no case do both pairs sound great in the same place. It is frustrating to say the least.
For what it is worth....
You also admit the bass is not as low. What else is different?I own both the IIIa and 3.6. The IIIa goes lower, and they are not as warm, and not as coherent.
The sound varies in different rooms, and the optimum placement in the same room is not the same for every model of the 3 series.
How do you know they were NOT optimal in both rooms?
You nit pick every post!
Like always YMMV!
Edits: 09/13/14
Sorry to nit pick or state the obvious, I will be more careful in the future.
I started by saying I valued your take on the difference and I meant it. I have never compared a 3.6 to a 7.
The other major difference I hear is a substantially smoother midrange in the new model. On the negative side, the old IIIa's seem more solid structurally.
Not lower but the bass is not as controlled and articulate which could explain why you find it warmer. I had 3.6īs prior to my current 3.7īs, have not Heard the "i".
When I say warm I really mean "life Like" and "alive". A warm body Vs dead body.I feel the 3.7i is "colder" than real, acoustic, live music.
Did you change amps in your 3.6 Vs 3.7 comparison?
Do you micro position your Magnepans over a long time? Do you rearrange the furniture and listening spot? What is behind your speakers, glass windows? What is the size and shape of your room? Can you hear the system sound change after an hour or two? All that makes a BIG difference.
Is warm to "you", carmel colored, velvet fog, old style tube sound, overlaying all recordings?
That is NOT my definition.
Some people listen to crap pop music. How can they possibly optimize a system?
Some on this site feel Magnepan can do no wrong. They pray on a rug aimed at White Bear lake three times a day, and want to chop off your head if you criticize their "religion'!
I am not one of those.
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Hasse,
You have not tried to have a peak at the crossover or what the bass/midrange driver look like? I was surprised by the fact that the foil conductor of the 3.7 was that thick, double the foil in the midrange of the 20-series. That would also mean the layout of the foil must be different to the earlier speakers in the 3-series.
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