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In Reply to: RE: Acme Audio Silver Ceramic Fuse posted by DavidJames on July 30, 2014 at 09:24:06
So.....cheap consumer interconnects and lamp wire for speakers sound the same as high end cables?
LineSource
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You analogy is poor.
"High end cables" are 'designed' to sound differently from one another. The result may be better, or may be worse, but they're not a product that's designed and/or sold as a so-called legitimate safety device.
Dave.
If a cable makes it sound different it's defective ;)
If cable A sounds different than cable B which one is defective? :)
Dave.
DavidJames.
I will fully indulge You in this but I strongly feel that You are trying to raise a topic.
You are right in most accounts but one can not explicitly say that a single strand of 2 Gauge wire will have the same electrical capability as a 24 Gauge wire in ALL frequencies at high wattage.
That is purely unscientific.But using the same sum of Gauge... One could ask...
I have seen flat ones with close proximity of the other polarity for the benefit of high dampening, but that's all.
The rest is just text talk.Cheers!
The one who succeeded was the one who didn't know it was impossible.
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Safety device or not, the fuse in all Magnepan speakers are in the direct path of all the current going to their tweeters. The fuses Magnepan supplies with their speakers use a cheap tiny piece of tin as a conductor. Now I haven't done a serious A/B listening session to see if I can hear the difference yet, but there are many who have and report that it can have a significant impact on the sound, for the better. Some have bypassed the fuse all together. I'm not willing to do that quite yet on speakers I plan on returning to Magnepan to trade up from, so I thought I'd give these ceramic encased silver fuses a try. After all, why would I invest in good quality speaker cables only to choke down the signal at the fuse?
LineSource
It's kind of like taking (2) ten-foot fire engine hoses and coupling them with a single, one foot garden hose.But what can you do? Manufacturers are most likely obligated to do so by their insurance underwriters.
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LineSource wrote:"The fuses Magnepan supplies with their speakers use a cheap tiny piece of tin as a conductor."
This is true for any fuse. Fuseholders can be a source of distorsion. Gold- or silverplated fuses is of no help if the fuseholder itself is nickelplated. You can use fuses with soldertags, far cheaper and less contact points.
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If you want to improve the sound first get rid of the fuse holders. Use 3AG fuses with pigtails and solder them across the leads to the holder. Inconvenient when they blow but they shouldn't be blowing anyway.
Was not able to find a 3 amp fuse that is 3A size.... for the maggies... Thanks
Try Mouser or Digi-key and look for Littelfuse Series 318. (Littelfuse Part #0318003).
It's highly questionable whether a fuse, any fuse, will provide sufficient protection to the ribbon tweeter in a Magnepan speaker. They just don't act fast enough to prevent significant deflection of the ribbon in the event of an amplifier failure or excessive out-of-band information. If those fancy fuses make you feel better then I guess they're providing a subjective safety aspect, but if you have an amplifier that protects itself (and the load) well then you could forego the fuses altogether.
Dave.
"It's highly questionable whether a fuse, any fuse, will provide sufficient protection to the ribbon tweeter in a Magnepan speaker."
Over the years having blown many of the 2.5 amp 'tweeter' fuses in my Tympani IV-A, and not experiencing any ribbon failure, I'm willing to question it. :-)
I suspect you're blowing those from gradual heating with nominally loud music playing under normal conditions. I don't really think the tweeter would be in danger from that.
I'm talking about amplifier failures or some other event that might manage to produce a pulsive signal that could deflect the tweeter and compromise it mechanically but not thermally before a fuse element could heat enough to open.
Cheers,
Dave.
I'm sorry, but that's not correct. Most, if not all the times I blow fuses have been when I inadvertently switched into a source that's been set to play at a too high volume level. If not having been protected by fuses, I think I might have had to replace the ribbons many times over.
Good anecdote. You could be correct, but I suspect the tweeter would have survived just fine in those instances. Unless you're saying the actual switching itself generated some sort of transient? If that's the case, obviously you should get in the habit of reducing the volume to minimum when switching sources.
Switching to a higher level source and then acting quickly to turn down the volume is more like the gradual heating I noted vice a short transient.
Regardless, an installed fuse would, by definition, provide more protection than no fuse.......all other things being equal. But whether it would actually prevent a failure of the ribbon transducer itself is still a gray area...IMHO.
Cheers,
Dave.
Switching doesn't produce transients in my rig. If it did, causing fuses to blow, it would happen nearly all the time and it wouldn't matter if the next source was at a different level, be it higher or lower. Although I try to do my best in lowering volume settings before switching, in the heat of the moment I forget myself. Very often it's when I'm attempting an instantaneous A/B comparison between two sources, (and even though I'm very aware that I'd be making the two levels identical as is possible for it to be of any significance).
I have found that bypassing the fuse, although a tad "cleaner", provides a high frequency tilt that is unpleasant in my Maggie 20's. So I much prefer the sound of a "quality" fuse in. It sounds like Magnepan "voiced" the speaker with a fuse in-line. On the other hand, I do not like the effect of the tweeter resistor.I agree with Neolith - I have never actually blown a tweeter fuse, but I've replaced many an edgy tweeter that's been stressed out.
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