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In Reply to: RE: Difference between 3.7 and 3.7i's posted by kuribo on March 30, 2014 at 06:39:45
We are Magnepan...when have we ever steered you wrong as customers...
Why do you have to KNOW what is being upgraded, TRUST US....better is better...
Be thankful we are offering an UPGRADE, this is a first for us....your welcome...
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thanks
Mark
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There are all sorts of possible areas in which a speaker might be improved. At the very least, it would be helpful to know which one this improvement addresses. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, if the improvement is related to bass performance, it's likely a non-issue for me. On the other hand, the improvement could be something in which I am interested. With no information beyond 'it's an improvement', the possibility exists that it would be a complete waste of money for me - not to mention the time without my 3.7s. That makes this something of an ethical issue, doesn't it?
I need to know so that I can make an informed decision. As the manufacturer is not forthcoming with such information, I feel alienated, irritated and downright frustrated - with a waning feeling of loyalty.
Waz,
You do touch all the bases...
"I feel alienated, irritated and downright frustrated - with a waning feeling of loyalty."
The waning feeling of loyalty, are consequences they may have never considered...I do feel we are being condescended too as loyal customers...it is like being padded on the head...oh silly boy...we know what's best for you...
thanks
Mark
Re: "I feel alienated, irritated and downright frustrated - with a waning feeling of loyalty."
Yeah, baby! Make them suffer for the undue secrecy. This ought to make someone at Magnepan understand. We don't necessarily need the details of "how they did it". (we can figure this out by ourselve later, LOL)
However, we can use the detail of what IT did. What is it that currrent 3.7 users will likely notice as a change.
JBen...
I did not see your post, before I responded to Waz...so we are on the same page...
this is known as crapping in your playhouse...ripple/domino effect of this upgrade opportunity, might make Magnepan NEVER offer such a thing again...
If this was offered on smaller model that can go standard ground, verses via freight, (where the shipping has potential to be more than the upgrade), I do not think it would be quite as big of a deal...
This does not change my mind on the silly code of silence they are exhibiting on this upgrade...but here again, it really brings into question...did they even think of the cost to the customer for shipping two ways???? It is not $500 upgrade...it is $1000+ upgrade with shipping...
I am going to do an in-house frequency response before and after the I have the upgrade done...I will post it here...then try to describe with my limited Audiophile vernacular as best I can, what the differences are.
My shipping costs, are getting my brother in-laws pick-up and $10 worth of gas...so it is done deal for me...
thanks
Mark
So, if this is a crossover mod, it's a painful one. Many of us are quite capable of doing the work ourselves (again, if it's the XO). Heck, I think it would be fun. Okay, I'm sinking into anger now. Magnepan can ignore our pleas. They can be as obstinate as they please, but can they prevent us from discovering the truth? Are they making you sign a non-disclosure agreement in order to receive the upgrade? If not, somebody is going to spill the beans.
You know; I feel like a less than appreciated customer - terribly unfortunate and completely unnecessary, IMO.
Great, MM! The frequency sweeps could help much. There's another very helpful resource, if you have the time. Before taking them over, spend serious quality time listening to a few SHORT music segments such that you grow uncommonly familiar with them.
Memory can be very efficient when the music segments are short, <2 minutes or shorter. Listen to instrumental & voice textures, solidity in their 3D space and localization on soundstage depth & width (these are easiest to remember). Other SQ parameters will also be better retained when short segments are used.
Also -- to feed a healthy spirit of "sneakiness" -- take good pictures before & after, just in case these catch hints of the variance. : - ))
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JBen, thank you for the listening tips...great points...
I have been recruiting ears, to do the before and after....yes..yes...yes...they are no where near as familiar as I am...but the two people that have listened so far...I trust their ears...
I had another guy who was coming over to listen, had it lined up...never heard from again...oh well...3.6/Pass/vinyl guy...
My friend Bill, who I have known for 20 years now; I have a burned disc of his references and he has mine...which ultimately has become our references...each track bringing multiple elements into the equation...yet individual sonic cues are apparent...
But we have always just listened to 1.5-2.5 minutes of each track...the last time we got together we laughed how fast we went from track to track...the familiarity of the tracks makes it easy to know what you are listening for....then go yep...
I have an ongoing word document, with notes on different tracks, changes made to the rig...then more notes, not looking back to what I previous wrote, until my evaluation is done...my evaluations are typically 2-6 weeks depending on changes made...then I will go back to before I made the change and listen again...
My frequency sweeps, will be the Rat Shack sound meter and the Rives weighted test tones for the Rat Shack meter...so extremely low tech...but at least it is something...
As I have said, my goal is to work out a 24-48 hr turn around...when I call to have it done, pay for it, get an RA number...then sweet talk Shelia to give me a call when my RA number is coming up, so they stay with me until the appointment....that's the plan anyway...
thanks
Mark
"did they even think of the cost to the customer for shipping two ways???? It is not $500 upgrade...it is $1000+ upgrade with shipping..."
No, it is $3600+ upgrade with shipping and insurance......if you like me are living in Sweden :(
Now, that's what I call painful! It's unconscionable.
Here's the stickiest part of this issue. If they aren't profiting from the enterprise, why should it be such a closely guarded secret? The information could only serve owners of the 3.7s. Magnepan would stand to lose not a single penny. Magnepan would demonstrate good will. Who loses in that scenario? I just don't get it.
yea...that is why I asked Hasse the question about getting it done at his dealer....which leads to MORE conjecture...maybe it is not "just" a x-over upgrade if the overseas guys can't have it done at the dealer...
Would the overseas users, be bettered served selling or trading in their 3.7's for a NEW pair of "i's"??? Would North American owners be better served??? $$$
Oh..wait...we don't know what the sonic improvements are suppose to be...
Never mind....
thanks
Mark
Hasse...
I was thinking of you when I posted some of my replies...I mentioned you by name...
Have you talked to your local dealer about it at all???
My question being...Do they HAVE to go back to Magnepan for the upgrade???
or as I asked earlier in the post, is this something a qualified dealer could do??
Hope all is well in your world...great to hear from you....
thanks
Mark
Hi Mark, yes I have talked to Audionord (the scandinavian importer) and yes, they have to go back to Magnepan.
I am looking forward to hear your thoughts on how the "i"-model compares to the original 3.7. Take care :)
Later
thanks
Mark
That is safe and wise....Shipping is dangerous shit.....UPS can ruin your musical life.....Your way is the only way to handle it....I am sure the $500 will be worth it...Good luck....
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