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In Reply to: RE: Eminent Technology LFT-8b posted by JohnnyTee on January 10, 2012 at 09:26:36
You have a great setup. The Moscode is fab with the IIIA.
Don't bother with the 8B, if you found the demo a little volume challenged it is because the LFT 8b can't hack the volumes you are wanting. The IIIA can be modified to improve on the 8B. So if you are capable of some DIY, Davy has a set of simple mods for the 3.x models that can be applied in the mid and tweeter crossover with great impact and little cost.
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What a bunch of BS. If you need to listen louder than what ET's will go, you're deaf. The ET's will totally energize a 22 by 12 room for sure.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Bruce Pick provides enviably thorough specifications on his website (I wish other manufacturers, including Magnepan, would follow suit), and he lists the maximum SPL as 105 dB at 1 meter. This is not sufficient to play large-ensemble acoustical music at concert hall orchestra-seat levels. It is likely adequate for studio pop, with its limited dynamic range, and many audiophiles listen to orchestral music at lower levels. But the LFT-8b is a low-output speaker even by consumer standards -- see Figure 8:
http://www.zainea.com/Dynamic%20range.htm
Again, this isn't going to be a problem for everyone, but your claims of BS and deafness are incorrect.
To each his own. My home theater has never experienced 105DBs.
As for deafness, I'll take the word of the experts thanks.
I confess, however, I don't have the golden ears of others. I can't hear the difference in properly sized and constructed speaker cables, power cables, interconnects, fuses, amps, etc. etc. etc. I don't feel so bad though, as no one else has under proper blind test conditions.
Oh, and you may mean Bruce Thigpen
DJ: "I confess, however, I don't have the golden ears of others. I can't hear the difference in properly sized and constructed speaker cables, power cables, interconnects, fuses, amps, etc. etc. etc. "
LOL! Nothing to confess. Consider yourself lucky and brag about it. Not only do you have a nice set of speakers but you can get to enjoy them as heavens mandated. That is, unencumbered by the mania that afflicts must of us here. In fact, to this date I keep wondering what kind of friend am I. I told a good friend of mine what to listen for. Because he started perceiving these things, I only made him miserable.
[For listening myself, I have no choice because I grew up in the music, if you will. However, nowadays I am more inclined to help people stay happy with what they have if that is what they enjoy.]
Now, that same friend, who owns great [dynamic] speakers costing 8 times the LFT-8b, found the latter very appealing in sound. I told him that he had to listen to the 8b (for his 2nd room). He agreed that they were more akin to his likes than the Magnepans. The irony was that his wife did not like them for their "looks". They heard them with no grills and the darned salesperson failed to tell him that grills were indeed available. Lost sale.
True that nobody has ABX'd cables (though there has been at least one successful single blind test). For what it's worth, many amps are easy to distinguish in a blind A/B test. The only controversy I know of is what it is about the amps that can be distinguished, Richard Clark says that once you adjust for frequency response differences they can't be ABX'd if you run them in their linear region, e.g., you don't push them to the point at which they become more nonlinear.
You're right, of course, I did mean Bruce Thigpen.
It is a matter of his preferences, not yours.
For quite a few of us "sufficiently" energizing the room is not enough.
I would have loved to use the LFT3 but it is a distinctly mezzo forte player, which is the same problem I found with ESLs.
Well that's what this hobby is all about I guess, differences of opinion. Any feedback on the MG 3A crossover mod and what kind of differences it would make?
"The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him" Proverbs 18: 17
The first difference is clarity and coherence. Davy did an asymetrical passive XO in first order and is very happy with it.Of course, bracing with Mye stands will significantly enhance bass dynamics and extension, and clear up the midrange noticeably.
The main impediment for me suggesting a biamp for you is that the Moscode you have is such a beloved piece, and I would be reluctant to make it redundant as it would be way overkill for driving the mid/treble sections in a biamp setup.
There is a great improvement potential with a pair of sealed subwoofers. Mainly by taking the bottom octave off the MG3a, which saves you alot of IMD higher up the freq range. Dayton (parts express) produce an affordable powered "reference" sub that can be put in for well under $2K.
e.g. 10" "Titanic" pair of these http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-761 not much more for the 12", about $1200
Edits: 01/11/12
You are correct. I'm not sure where that myth started but I see it whenever the ET LFT 8 is discussed.
I had the 8a for a while but had to sell and replaced them with MMG's. I miss them.
I hope to get a set of 8b's, or c's or d's ;) in a few years.
That should have been obvious as a downgrade.
To restate what I said to bryan, not everyone listens at civilized volumes. and DO want to try approaching concert levels - particularly on peaks.
I had considered this option also. I am aware that there are modifications to the Maggies that will bring out more potential. As a first step I had considered sending them to Magnepan for a rebuild, about $800 total with shipping, and then doing some other crossover mods or active crossovers with biamping etc. I will have to decide if that's the route I want to go.
"The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him" Proverbs 18: 17
If you're doing a rebuild, you could consider redoing the mids with quasi ribbon foil. You'd have to do it yourself of course. Computerman is currently trying that with his IIIa's, we should know soon how it works out.
I have Had a pr of the ETLFT-8b.....an i well say that this push pull setup looks good on paper but i have found that ESL even sound better in a none push pull setup... but as satie states....the MG3a that i dont like the sound of myself...had more output than i could ever get out of the ET..
Drive wise thay were like the Quad 57s ESL thay had sweet sound but i could not get that real sound stage in my room...just one mans finding
But i did put them in my home...an paid the $$$...so you do need to do the same are you well never NO...Goodluck
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