- Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom - Mando 04:36:31 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Went down that path too, but posted by Neuro on November 03, 2009 at 16:07:10
Hey Nils,
You ought to keep the tubes on top and get a nice solid state amp for the bass panel. I really think it's what you're looking for. I have Rogue M150's on top with autoformers, and a Gallo solid state bass amp on the bottom, and after finally getting my room treatments dialed in, it's pretty awesome. I run the ribbon full range with separate RF chokes in place on all three panels.
Tubes are great, I love 'em, I hear a difference, but there is a hassle and expense factor. With your exquisite system, I'd keep the Quicksilvers and get some SS power down low.
Just my $.02 (and worth every penny!).
Basking in the orange glow,
Mando
- I concur: tubes on top work for me too - CometCKO 12:10:58 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom posted by Mando on November 04, 2009 at 04:36:31
I'm running a pair of much-modified Citation-II amps as monoblocks, about 120wpc on each side, just for the tweeter/mids. Innersound ESL-300 for the bass panels. Very happy with the sound, once I got the levels matched on the two amps (different sensitivity). Active crossover... good stuff!
- RE: Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom - Neuro 11:48:17 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom posted by Mando on November 04, 2009 at 04:36:31
I'd keep the Quicksilvers and get some SS power down low.
You mean like the somewhat-inconspicuous Bryston 7B-SSTs hiding below my tube amps? ;)
I tried the Zero Autoformers a while ago, but I thought that they made everything sound very bright and thin. Perhaps I need to give them another shot, but floor real estate is pretty limited!
Zero-boxes would almost be more tolerable -- those anti-cable leads are a royal PITA to work with.
-- Nils
- Uh, oh, those.... - Mando 16:20:20 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom posted by Neuro on November 04, 2009 at 11:48:17
Nils,
I keep forgetting how much hardware you have going on!
Sorry, I thought that was an egg slicer on the lower shelf.
: )
Try the autoformers at a couple of different taps, even 2x can be cool if you're worried about the sound being too "dry". Wouldn't be without mine.
If I had that many tubes (I only have 20 in my system...)....you must have more...I might get a little frustrated. My power tubes usually last me up to a year (some 10 months, the Genelex Gold Lion KT88's do seem to have a couple more months longevity). But when they go, they go. I usually can tell when I've had one or two flame out, that the rest of the crew is getting long in the tooth.
Right now, my tubes are all singing together, a sweet sweet song. Keep 'em on top, dude, you'll miss 'em otherwise!
Regards,
Mando
- RE: Uh, oh, those.... - Neuro 16:39:11 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Uh, oh, those.... posted by Mando on November 04, 2009 at 16:20:20
Each Quicksilver V4 monoblock requires four power tubes and two driver tubes (a 12BH7A and an oh-so-elusive-except-through-Quicksilver 12FQ7). 16 Gold Lions = $900 or so from a respectable retailer. Four autoformers would be another $500 minimum on the used market (but two pairs of Zero boxes i.e $1900 would be so much more convenient for my application). Ow.
I'm still tempted to demo the Pass X250 against the Quicksilvers. I doubt I'd push that amp out of Class A 99% of the time.
-- Nils
- RE: Uh, oh, those.... - Neuro 16:39:11 11/04/09
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- Uh, oh, those.... - Mando 16:20:20 11/04/09
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- What do you mean that - Keith944T 05:11:15 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Rogues on top, Autoformers, Gallo Solid state on bottom posted by Mando on November 04, 2009 at 04:36:31
you run the ribbon full range?
Are you talking about 3.6's?
Did you "disect" the socks to get to choke all three?
How are your autoformers configured (2x, 3x or 4x) on the Rogues?
Was the improvement from the autoformers worth the $$$ ?
If so, would you consider another pair on the low end?
I'm running a class D 1000 w/channel on my low side, with the Rogue M150's on the top as well, therefore all my curiousity driven questions.
Thanks.
- I say, I say... - Mando 16:27:05 11/04/09
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- In Reply to: RE: What do you mean that posted by Keith944T on November 04, 2009 at 05:11:15
you run the ribbon full range?
***By using the tweeter bypass (see under tweaks on this site) you essentially bypass the external crossover and it gives you a bit of a nice midrange bump and a smoother top end. Also bypasses the fuse.
Are you talking about 3.6's?
****Yuppers.
Did you "disect" the socks to get to choke all three?
***no sock dissection required. Search the site for RF chokes or "mouser" and you'll find more than you ever want to know. Just insert inline
How are your autoformers configured (2x, 3x or 4x) on the Rogues?
***see post above currently 4x, but I've been other places too. Use your ears ; )
Was the improvement from the autoformers worth the $$$ ?
******absolutely. I bought a nice used set on Audiogon, but they're very fairly priced new.
If so, would you consider another pair on the low end?
****No, you don't typically use them with solid state, just with tubes. But I'm a big fan of an RF choke on the low end.
Hope this is helpful!
Mando
- I say, I say... - Mando 16:27:05 11/04/09
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- I concur: tubes on top work for me too - CometCKO 12:10:58 11/04/09
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