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I, for one, am kind of tired of trying to get Maggies to be something that

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In Reply to: RE: Planar speakers that can do rock !!! posted by Plinius_Fan on June 29, 2009 at 05:05:00

they're really not: rock speakers. Yes, they do many things well, and I thought I could be happy with them playing my jazz albums, but ya' know, sometimes you just want to crank up some rock 'n roll. After thinking about adding stereo subs, and another(!) amp, I've grown weary of chasing something I may never find, and I'm looking in a different direction. In my case, I'm trying high efficiency- I've got a stereo pair of vintage 'Tannoy 12" Monitor Gold Dual Concentric' speakers on the way. Yes, I'll need to build boxes, but 10 or 20 tube watts should see high SPLs, and the Tannoys have a rep for a smooth, non-fatiguing mid range. Basically, Brit voicing-similar to the Spendors and Harbeths. We'll see.

Good Luck.

"dammit"

Follow Ups:

say it ain't so - wazoo 16:52:31 06/29/09 (15)
After building a gorgeous pair of frames for your MMGs, are you seriously thinking about replacing them? I went the hybrid route and I'm satisfied that they can rock. Tool sounds better on my Maguillotines than on my refurbished AR91s or my JBL L112s! One can't have rock without a rock-solid bottom end.

"Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ
- Tool you say? - Dawnrazor 21:12:27 06/30/09 (7)
  Dude think back to some of our e-mails about music.
  
  I think Tool could work for both of us...kind of a Rosetta Stone if you will.
  
  I had Aenima or whatever it was and lost it and never bought it because it was always something like $20 or something crazy and I just stopped looking.
  
  And then the other album came out with the song that said something like "...I know the pieces fit..." I liked that too...schism I think:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo
  
  Perhaps I should pony up and buy them.
  
  Still have the one that has the comedian I think (I forget his name) talking about the carrots and death being necessary.
  
  Thanks Waz for spending some dough for ol Dawnrazor and for posting.
  
  FWIW I almost ONLY listen to rock on the maggies.
  
  And that reminds me of an experience where I listened to some friends mirages. Dude that is THE rock speaker for maggie lovers. I played all the audiophile stuff and it sounded like ass. I put in the Cult and damn it sounded awesome, and all the stuff he played was classic rock and I was amazed that it sounded great, but Diana Krall sounded terrible.
  
  I THINK they were the OM-9s or something like that. It was very strange.
  - Tool again - Dawnrazor 00:47:25 07/03/09 (0)
    Hey Guys,
    
    Here is a link to the info about the comedian...Bill Hicks and a bit about their relationship.
    
    I thought Hicks was a riot and was sad when he died. And any comedian whose WHOLE act gets censored and cut from Letterman not for bad words, but for content, is OK in my book.
    
    And YES I dont think that highly of Diana Krall or at least that type of music. I havent met her myself :)
    
    But I have demo stuff so the real audiophiles wont kick me out and in my example none of them sounded good on the mirage speakers...but rock did.
    - http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue5/xtra.bill (Open in New Window)
  - RE: Tool you say? - Kiefer74.1 08:21:12 07/01/09 (0)
    A few thoughts regarding Tool...
    
    I 1st heard them live a was surprised (and happy) to find that they wern't a grunge band.
    
    The album with the comedian...are you referring to Opiate?
    I've always assumed it was Maynard preachin it out through a megaphone with a lil southern preacher style accent. Now I'm curious & gonna have to Google and see if I can find out ;)
    
    Almost all their video's give me a panic attack for some reason, a bit to strange or demented for me & doesn't represent what I hear/feel from the music. Their music is rather boring to play (on guitar & bass at least IMO), yet when the mood fits I can listen to any album from Aenima on and feel transported. Undertow has great songs, but I've never though of it as a concept album of sorts.
    
    I fully agree the presentation is quite different with cone speakers & enjoy both planar & box for that style of music.
    
    Anyway, just thought I'd share since I recently listened to 10,000 on my 1.6's and 3.6's back to back...
  - Tool just keeps getting better. - wazoo 04:45:30 07/01/09 (3)
    I was introduced to Tool by one of our 'sons' and I didn't like what I heard - it was their first album. Then he stopped by with Undertow and my opinion changed - I liked some of it quite a bit. I liked it enough to buy it. Aenima was even better and I think Lateralus (the one with Schism ) had only one song for which I didn't care - I still don't like the screaming stuff like Ticks and Leeches . If you like them at all, you must buy Lateralus . 10,000 Days is a revelation. Some of it is highly personal - about the life and death of Keenan's mother. At any rate, the group is comprised of highly talented individuals who obviously spend the time it takes to craft a quality product - if I'm not mistaken, their last album was five years in the making.
    
    Diana Krall does nothing for me, but taste in music is a personal thing, so this is in no way intended as a value judgement.
    
    "Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ
    - Tool on ESL 63's amazing... - Jonesy 11:16:05 07/01/09 (2)
      That band in league of their own. :)
      
      "I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
      - RE: Tool on ESL 63's amazing... - Zombie 13:38:24 07/02/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Tool on ESL 63's amazing... posted by Jonesy on July 01, 2009 at 11:16:05
        
        I love the smell of ozone in the morning
        
        LOL! You Got It! - Jonesy 14:24:01 07/02/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Tool on ESL 63's amazing... posted by Zombie on July 02, 2009 at 13:38:24
        
        Nothing like a pair of Quads rockin' to 'n fro' pushed to the verge of 'clamp down'!
        
        I hope I am not harming the atmosphere???
        
        Cheers!
        
        Jonesy
        
        "I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
  - "....Diana Krall sounded terrible." - powermatic 22:37:51 06/30/09 (0)
    Well...that's not much of a revelation. (-:
    
    "dammit"
- "One can't have rock without a solid bottom end" ... - andyr 17:10:35 06/29/09 (0)
  My wife has a "solid bottom end" and, man, she rocks! :-))
  
  Regards,
  
  Andy
- Yeah, but you've got those great subs - powermatic 17:04:00 06/29/09 (5)
  integrated into your speakers-a beautiful setup. And who knows, maybe that's what I'll end up with.
  
  What I'm doing is just experimentation at this point-partly for simplification, partly just to try something new. I'll definitely spend plenty of time comparing. Plus, I'll be able to recoup any money I put into the project, minus the cost of some ply for some temporary boxes. I'll keep you posted. (-:
  
  "dammit"
  - Hey, if it worked for Acoustat... - wazoo 20:24:07 06/29/09 (4)
    ...and it works for Martin Logan, I figured it would work with a pair of Maggies. So, it wasn't exactly an original idea, but I'm conviced that it's a good one. I don't suppose it's necessary to actually combine them as I did, but I just didn't have the floor space to do it any other way.
    
    My little RELs got better when I replaced their drivers with a pair of JLs. They're still 'musical', but now they're CPR certified. ;-)
    
    Good luck with this project and fire me an email with info if you have the time. Speaking projects, did you ever finish that 3-arm turntable?
    
    "Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ
    - Didn't hear about that driver replacement. - powermatic 22:44:40 06/30/09 (3)
      Do you have a link?
      
      And yes, the fabled 'wankel' three arm deck is up and running, plus I've completed a Technics SL-1200 to a new plinth-I'll send you photos.
      
      "dammit"
      - no link - wazoo 05:03:33 07/01/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Didn't hear about that driver replacement. posted by powermatic on June 30, 2009 at 22:44:40
        
        The driver change was necessitated by a whoops which damaged a voice coil in one of my REL subs. The JL Audio W3v3 looked like a good replacement driver - good match to the amp and size of the enclosure. After making the swap, I was so stunned that I replaced the driver in the perfectly good sub. This was a very recent change and well worth the money - not much actually. These things ROCK!
        Post or send me a photo of the TT - I'd love to see it (and congratulations on its completion).
        
        "Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ
        
        Edits: 07/01/09
        
        RE: no link - Kiefer74.1 07:12:46 07/01/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: no link posted by wazoo on July 01, 2009 at 05:03:33
        
        Although I lost interest in car audio in the late 90's I remember having a pair of w6's (8") that were surprisingly visceral. I had 2 buddies at the time, one with 2 10" and the other with 2 12" of the same...they dialed them in mainly for impact and man, they sure hit the mark!
        
        How would you rate/compare the performance/musicality (and HT use) of the JL's compared to the stock REL drivers in your setup?
        
        nothing but gains - wazoo 10:49:37 07/01/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: no link posted by Kiefer74.1 on July 01, 2009 at 07:12:46
        
        The W6s are dual VC W3s - not much difference otherwise. The JL drivers give up nothing in musicality to the stock drivers in my Q150s - just gave them more oomph. I didn't replace the driver in my Q200 (different system) and I have a dedicated HT sub (an old 15" Klipsch). The 'subs' in my hybrids aren't used as true subwoofers, so I can't answer the HT question (though, I guess I could experiment).
        
        "Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny" FZ

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