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In Reply to: RE: Anyone know the ave. BMI Okinawans who ate... posted by Tweaker456 on December 08, 2016 at 22:09:20
If interested in the subject folks, watch this. But JURB KNOWS I have no evidence to the contrary. Right JURB? Am I done? Can I go to the salt issue yet? Had enough? Tweaker456
" Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools." From the pen of the Crimson King
Edits: 12/08/16Follow Ups:
You want to have a detailed discussion let's do. I used to teach that. It's complex and not so black and white.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
"And people are so stupid they think eating fat makes you fat. It does not, eating carbs makes you fat." JURB Awe-D-O-File, can you please tell me what is not black and white incorrect about this statement? Well of course eating small amounts of fat or carbs won't make you fat. EXCESS calories, be they either carbs or fat will to some extend be stored. While different people have different metabolisms there is the law of thermodynamics. I really doubt that it has been completely overturned. Overfeeding studies show that both fat and carb overfeeding cause similar weight gain. To say that fat, or really excess fat get pooped out and not stored is substantially untrue. It is likely or possible that different fats get stored more than others... but his broad statement is ridicules and false. Tweaker
" Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools." From the pen of the Crimson King
Think of protein and fat as Voltage and carbs as current. 10KV at .01ma wont hurt you but 100 volts at 20 amps could. This is a metaphor as to how we combine the three calorie sources. So that's part of it. It's complicated. Like I said I could talk for a long time about nutrition. Email me if you want my tel #
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
While I appreciate the personal attention, I am not putting much faith in information coming the only country I can think of right now where people get rich when you get sick.
I proved the low carbs thing on myself many years ago. However I do admit I am not practicing what I preached anymore, I don't even use the seasalt much anymore.
One thing I noticed though is people who eat a diet of much carbs is that if they are not fat, they eat very little. Either that or they are quite active. you simply cannot feed a desk worker the same diet as a bricklayer and that is one of the biggest mistakes alot of people make.
Calories, BAH. That is only part of the picture. Another part is heredity. What they eat in India might not work for others. But of course that is politically incorrect. Politically correct does not mean true, in fact in many cases it is the other way around. Some people simply cannot handle certain foods.
So anyway, you win. Eat whatever you want. Me, I am getting old and as such have decided just to eat whatever. Pizza almost every week, pasta. Less green leafies. I still can't stand things like oatmeal, hominy grits and all that. I stopped drinking milk about 15 years ago and I don't know why it started bothering me, the virus in it now or the loss of the ability to digest it which happens to many people at a certain age. I do like good cheese though, romano, and I get the cheddar that is so strong that it smells like other cheese tastes, but without that acidy taste. not cheap, but good food never was.
I still avoid sugar though. I think it is poison. And it is in everything. Well everything prepared.
The point was more that people think they can just eat McDonald's every day and be healthy. and the fact is you do not get fat pound for pound eating fat, or even carbs. But I ate alot of bacon when I was losing weight and rebuilding cartilage, and don't let them tell you it can't be done, I am living proof it can.
But the US food pyramid is a joke. What they allow food producers to do is ridiculous. The fact is if you get 100 pounds of food out of a piece of land it has a total of so much nutrients in it. If you get 200 pounds out of the same land, in each piece of fruit or vegetable there is only half the nutrients. It takes a certain amount of time for lad to replenish itself and as I said, it is not so much what IS in the food, it is what is NOT in the food. And that is why people used salt when they stopped being nomadic. The land got played out. That is why the term "salary", the stuff was literally life.
How it came to be that some people had it and could then buy the time of those who didn't is pretty much the same story as gold. But gold is damnear useless. Silver is a good supplement, it aids the immune system. However if you take too much your skin literally turns blue.
So, anyone who wants to eat their Morton's table salt all the time and get a heart attack or stroke is welcome to do so. Personally, and here I am not putting this forth as fact, just saying it is a possibility, is that the anti-clumping agent they put in it is the problem, much more so than the sodium in it.
Logically, is it prevents it from combining with water, it could well be preventing it from being properly metabolised by the body, which is mostly water. In fact there is such a thing as sodium deficiency and one of the symptoms happens to be high BP. While that doesn't necessarily prove anything, it is certainly something to think about.
In the US, where people get rich off of others getting sick, do you really trust "them" ? Why do they put dentists on TV to recommend a brand of toothpaste ? Do they think dentists want to cost themselves money ?
Apply the same standard.
"In the US, where people get rich off of others getting sick, do you really trust "them" ?"
Wow. Spoken like a true Socialist.
In every country, not just the U.S., with which I'm familiar, doctors and pharmaceutical companies do quite well, as they should, given their specialized expertise and heavy investment in facilities and staff.
You have a tendency to make broad declarative statements, yet you have provided none, zero, nada evidence from your decades of "research". I'm still waiting for the 4 or 5 example papers I asked for several days ago. All you do is continue to rant.
" The fact is if you get 100 pounds of food out of a piece of land it has a total of so much nutrients in it. If you get 200 pounds out of the same land, in each piece of fruit or vegetable there is only half the nutrients" Yo JURB, Would you mind proving the validity of this statement? I KNOW you can't. T456
" Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools." From the pen of the Crimson King
" Yo JURB, Would you mind proving the validity of this statement? I KNOW you can't. T456 "
So don't believe it, don't believe any of it. The websites are gone, I would have to go find books and scan them and all this. One bunch of pages I actually have in Dropbox are standard HTML, that's how old they are. As such you can't tell if they've been edited.
"I would have to go find books and scan them and all this."
Please don't go to extra effort. Just cite a few sources, which you likely have readily accessible from your "decades of research".
You provide no evidence, yet, you want critics to "prove" you wrong. This is one of the typical responses of a person holding a position which is tenuous at best.
I will just retract everything. Fuck it.
You all do what you want. You figure I am making this shit up - because why ? Am I selling sea salt ? Am I selling mineral supplements ? Am I even selling meat and low carb veggies ?
You can't just get these twenty year old sources, websites disappear, shit, I think whole countries may have disappeared since then. And if you don't believe me you are not going to believe any files I personally serve up. Here's one :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29948706/minerals/%7EINDEX.HTM
That is from 14 years ago. They give alot of details on minerals and actually do have cites, some of which I checked out and found to be legit. (all I checked were legit) The file on my PC has a DOS compatible filename FFS. The minerals listed are pretty much recognized as essential, you click on one most browser will open a new window or tab because they used the "TARGET" tag.
But how do you know I have not edited those files ? (that is why some people use PDFs) I could be a spy for the medical industry looking to drum up business. To make you sick and make money off it.
I am done. What do you people think I am ? Stupid or malicious ?
Also, I have a ton of files gleaned from the government website about the nutritional content of different foods. My server is offline but I could get the files on a thumbdrive but why bother ? there is no way for you to know that my spy ass working for the top offices of some malicious company could might have edited them.
When I decide what to believe and not, like news sources as well, I consider what the source has to gain by lying. How many of you sent me money because of what I posted ? How many of you have I asked for money ?
I am probably done with this subject. You want the US attorney general to endorse every claim I make ? Sorry, I don't get paid for this so I simply do not have the time. Enjoy your chonic, deficiency caused diseases.
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"E Burres Stigano?"
Yes definitely get your nutrition info from the fattest country in the world. In the 21st century most obese people are lower income. The exact opposite of the way things were in the 19th century.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Read about ketosis. Eating only fat regardless of how much would put you n a constant state of ketosis. Protein too.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
" Eating only fat regardless of how much would put you in a constant state of ketosis." A species that eats only fat. Hum, I told you all that there are aliens among us. Guard your extra virgin olive oil. If you see what looks like people drinking OO straight I say better watch out. Could be at the very least human alien hybrids working to take over the planet. With the level of stupidity of late I say let them have it. T456
" Knowledge is a deadly friend
If no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools." From the pen of the Crimson King
Yes.
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