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In Reply to: RE: You keep mentioning ability on the track and American cars are lackng but posted by pictureguy on September 21, 2016 at 12:37:29
I find that German cars have some of the worst reliability of all brands.I work on BMWs at times and the parts are out of sight even on Ebay which is lower than dealer cost most of the time.
I know what you mean about cars being pure as we live in a different time.The biggest problems I have with foreign countries such as Asia is,they won't let us sell our products in their countries because of their protectionist trade laws. Asians love American products and we see it a lot with audio gear like Krell and McIntosh.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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I find that German cars have some of the worst reliability of all brands.
is that the Porsche Boxster has been rated by JD Power from between four and five stars consistently for the past eight years.
Over the past four years, ours has only experienced mildly annoying things like conflicting warning messages and an occasional bump with the top mechanism.
Good enough for me for me!
True, but don't forget that CHINA pretty much SAVED Buick. For some reason Buick sells in China.
Don't ask me why, but they apparently DO..
I remember reading about the new generation of 6-> 9 speed automatics. The BMW version of the ZF 8-speed was a real problem.
Too much is never enough
Which again proves they love American brands..The new Continental was actually designed for the upscale Chinese market and it's a gorgeous car.It reminds me of a Bentley somewhat.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
I saw the ads for the new Continental. Nice set of features and it DOES look nice.
Now let's see if it holds together between oil changes.With an ENTRY List of around 45Large, I'm sure they'll be stickering for 55 to 60 at dealers with a few 'upgrades' like the more powerful engine or even the Full-Tillt-Boogie 4wd version.
For the entry list? Man, you can get a LOT of car. I'm not current so I wouldn't know WHERE to start, but I'd shop aggressively for THAT kind of coin.
Just off the top, you can get a Nissan Maxima SR Midnite for about 41k with PLENTY of goodies and almot nothing off the standard list.
But even the Max isn't much over the road, being more a sedan than (sports) sedan.
Too much is never enough
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Cars are going to have more and more reliability problems in the future with all this new added electronics.It's too bad we can no longer buy a basic automobile with features you want.Of course if cars weren't full of electronics including the engine management and fuel system,I would out of a teaching job. LOL
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
I wonder. MTBF for many electronic devices, say OPAMPS and most 'discrete' is VERY high indeed.
One of the BIG limits may actually be SOFTWARE which makes it all work and 'talk'. One bad line of code and you're screwed.
Stuff costs a bundle, too. I Hate those tire pressure monitor things they make you change when you get new tires. SKIP IT. I don't care and I maintain my tire pressures the old fashioned way. I look / measure and FILL with a tire pump.
The cost of all that stuff? I'm not sure it's all THAT bad. My car, the entry level of the Mazda6 comes very well equipped. Backup camera, USB plugs, a SD card slot to make the Navigation functional and an EPA of 38mpg. I've gotten 35+ on a RT to Palm Springs.
I think the REAL problem will be car RESTORERS and those who want to have a running (Just An Example) 2016 Nissan GTR. In 2066 when you can't get ANY original electronics.
Too much is never enough
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