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In Reply to: RE: Foor ONE month!? And in April, not recently. posted by Michael Samra on September 20, 2016 at 21:21:07
"simple, and wrong."
Misleading, too.
:-)!
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Tim Bailey
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That wasn't a Ford advertisement.That was a CNN article and they happened to interview a member of the Ford family who has the namesake of the company founder.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
wake up.
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Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Tim Tim Tim,you can't argue with facts.Germany loves American cars and this is one of the main reasons Daimler chose to merge with Chrysler at that time because of the Dodge brand's popularity in Germany.Even if price is a factor,it still nonetheless exists.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Daimler chose to merge with Chrysler at that time because of the Dodge brand's popularity in Germany.
the Italians who like two ton "sports cars" ever since Fiat bought them out?
Mercedes robbed all the money from Chrysler to fix Mercedes and now Fiat came in because like when Ford bought Jaguar,they fixed the major electrical issues with Jaguar.They need Chrysler to fix the issues with the
(Fix It Again Tony) brand of cars....ROFLMAO>
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
That statement is so far wrong it is laughable.
Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and Fiat are all among the worst brands of 2016. :)
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Ralf
The funny thing about cars today is when they rate them,they are rated on a curve..Literally the difference between the 1st place rated car and any given time and the 30th place car is like one problem per 100k vehicles.
For instance,when Ford first came out with My Ford Touch,the system didn't have anything wrong with it per say, it's just that the average person that wasn't tech saavy just couldn't figure out how to use the system.They would go back to the dealer to reprogram and simplify it and that would count as a problem.
Finally, Ford put a new module in with new programming and all was well.
Almost every automaker foreign and domestic got blamed for Takata airbag failures.Luckily they all got together and made sure they didn't get the blame for what was beyond their control..
There are so many things that can wrong today with cars and most of the time service shops end up being parts changers when parts aren't even the problem many times.They will change modules and sensors and when they find out the problem is noting more than a return signal wire in the ECU or a bad ground,they end up leaving the new parts in even tho weren't bad.
This is why code scanners can't determine problems by just reading numerical codes.The diagnostic data is much more important.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Literally the difference between the 1st place rated car and any given time and the 30th place car is like one problem per 100k vehicles.
Not according to JD Power . The top rated Lexus recorded 95 problems per 100 vehicles, followed by Porsche at 97, Buick 106 and Toyota at 113. There's clearly more than one problem separating even the top four with the average at 152. Anything lower than average means a delta > 55.
Also, Consumer Reports provides observational data about the vehicle that plays into its recommendations.
Jeep Cherokee:
"The Cherokee is too unrefined to be a contender among small SUVs. The 2.4-liter four-cylinder is slow, and its 22 mpg overall is lousy for the class. The nine-speed automatic is not very responsive or refined. Handling is competent but short on agility, and the ride is jittery. "
Chrysler 200:
"A mediocre car in a category overflowing with competent, and even excellent, alternatives, the 200 drives like it's from a previous era. Handling is clumsy, the ride is rough and unsettled, and the four-cylinder engine is underwhelming. Not only is the transmission uncooperative, but it has proven to be a reliability albatross. Sitting in the tight rear seat feels claustrophobic and access is compromised. The 200 has the dubious distinction of carrying the lowest overall road test score in the class, as well as the lowest predicted reliability rating. The 200 will be phased out after the 2017 model year."
Fiat 500L:
"This Italian confection feels undercooked and has several significant flaws. It earned a dismal road test score, thanks in part to a stiff ride, flat seats, and an odd driving position. No surprise, owner satisfaction is low—meaning a strong percentage of owners wish they hadn't bought this hatchback. The 500L also has the worst reliability of any new car in our recent survey. If that still isn't enough to dissuade you, it scored a Poor in the IIHS small-overlap frontal test. "
I don't put much faith in CR for cars anymore because you can't tell the cars longevity in the first few years anymore..Some significant problems in cars won't show up until the vehicle is at least 7 yo many times.Also,many issues are related to climate for some cars. Cars that can make it thru a few Michigan or Mass,or NY winters would be a real test to tell how they would hold up over time.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
I provided was as to how poorly some were designed and performed from the outset.
If the vehicle sux from day one, I really don't care how long it lasts!
Yes but in the first few years,you have a warranty where potential problems get ironed out..
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
would fix how poorly the Chrysler 200 drives as compared with an Accord.
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