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In Reply to: RE: There is a downside to that? posted by Michael Samra on August 23, 2016 at 16:22:25
Then use your shareholder vote to stop those companies from offshoring. Tell them that the American worker is more important than increasing profits year on year. If I buy American, those companies will just use the profits to fund more offshoring, or a fancy new robot to replace even more American workers so they can increase those profits. That's really how greedy they are. Please don't lecture about how individuals spend their money. Take it out on those American manufacturers. They are the ones that have far more control over job loss.
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You won't get any argument from me.As a conservative,I think NAFTA was the biggest disaster that every struck our country.Apple is the largest company in the world at any given time and they build everything with child labor in many cases as does Microsoft..Tim Cook says he will not bring Apple's money back to the US until we have a more competitive tax rate. As far as lecturing,Japan is a price dumper as is China and now Japan's economy is in the shitter..The people in those countries love American products but we can't even sell our products in those countries because of protectionism.We should pull the same crap until they start to change.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Edits: 08/23/16
With a Global economy.. No big country can really afford to have a major war. All those companies selling overseas will lose out, jobs lost, economic ruin.
Plus the economic pressure others have due to money..
In the short term, the USA may have suffered. But we may yet win in the long term. Particulary in the environmental areas.
I do agree the issue in in each Americans hands. Who they buy from.
Most countries are very nationalistic. We seem to have very little economic sense of who makes anything. It is all price.
I (almost) think the average American would sell their own Mother to save a dollar.
I (almost) think the average American would sell their own Mother to save a dollar.
You are't just a kidding.When I went to out to buy my gas grill,I could have gotten a decent made in China grill for about 250 dollars at that time.I ended up buying an American made CharBroil from our Local hardware store for 600 dollars but it was made like a commercial grill.It is going on nine years old and it looks almost as good as the day I bought it.
On the environmental front, we are winning due to better conditions for workers but the problem is,65% of the new jobs in the US since 1999 have gone to immigrant workers..I'm not talking illegal.I realize that many can't afford American made products anymore on the wages being paid and the only way it will come back is if these 3rd world country's workers start demanding a competitive wage. Personally,I don't think its labor wages that drive companies to move overseas.I think it is excessive regulation and potential litigation.Taxes,regulation,and potential law suits is why so many are leaving.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Those jobs are, as you said, going to H1B visa workers. American companies lobby the hell out of Congress and the Aministration to increase the number of and increase the ease in obtaining those visas. Those same companies claim they just can't find qualified American workers to fill those jobs. Bullshit is my reply. By "qualified" what they really mean is they can't find Americans willing to work for the paltry wages they want to pay. They can also just shed those H1B employees with no severance or pesky unemployment compensation restrictions. Just send them back where they came from, taking their piece of our wealth with them. I don't blame the workers as they're just trying to make a living like anybody. I blame the companies. The really stoopit thing is we let them do it over and over again. Seemingly, every time there is serious talk about curtailing American corporate addiction to cheap imported labor, you here how it will make those corporations uncompetitive and kill jobs. Again, I say bullshit. It's all about the money. Corporations have neither an ass to be kicked, nor a soul to be saved.
Maybe we have some common ground other than cats and music?
I agree with you.People want the most for the least and that goes for everyone.We took my mom to the emergency one time and this was back in 1998.
She was having some pain which later turned out to be an internal muscle spasm.We sat there almost six hours asking why it was talking so long for the radiologist to read the X-Ray.Their response was,we sent the X-Ray to India to be read.I am not kidding.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
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