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In Reply to: RE: I tyhink the successor engine was the new 283 chevy small block V8! posted by Timbo in Oz on September 26, 2015 at 02:11:20
Very close but not 100%!
And just in case, the 348 / 409 NEVER saw the 'Vette.
Too much is never enough
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No but the 327 did.
It also found its way into a number of european cars like the Iso Grifo which was a bit quicker than the C2 'vette due to weighing 50% less.
Ex-Ferrari engineer Giotto Bizzarrini called it his 'improved 250GTO'.
The Grifo might have been heavier than the Corvette. It was a cruiser/boulevardier - a beautiful thing, not a Corvette beater in performance.
You must be thinking of the BIZZARRINI Strada 5300 which weighed less than the Corvette but not half by any means. A car that demanded sacrifice from the driver. A hood even longer than the Corvette - the engine was completely behind the front axle line. Difficult to get in and out of and from what I remember had some handling surprises awaiting those who tried to learn it too fast
You're right, I mixed up the Grifo A3/L and A3/C.
The A3/L weighed only about 95kg less than the C2 Corvette, 1430kg for the A3/L to 1525kg for the C2 and 'under 1000kg' for the A3/C.
So officially the Corvette weighs a little over 52% more than the Corsa.
Thanks for the information.
Had no idea they were first made with the ISO badde.
I remember when they first came around, cars with the ISO nameplate and they were called "bastard sons of a refrigerator maker". Of course, I was only reading about them in CAR & DRIVER & ROAD & TRACK, as close as I ever got to them.
Take care,
A3/Ls were quite popular in Germany. At least I remember seeing a few when I was a kid.Besides being a bit lighter than a Corvette Iso also disassembled and blueprinted every single motor before fitting it.
At least in Germany the 5.4 was more popular than the 7L.
Ultimately the 7L was faster but it also weighed nearly 200kg more and all of that extra weight was resting on the front axle screwing up the balance.
An early A3/L has a permanent place in my dream garage which contains not single Ferrari but a surprising amount of cars utilising american-made motivational means.
However only one those motors moves american steel. ;-)
Meanwhile here is the most successful Iso of all, especially after BMW took out a licence:
Edits: 09/27/15
Of COURSE the 327 made it to the 'Vette. In powers up to 365 in the Fuel Injected version.
Nope, we're talkin' '57 or '58, long before the 327 saw the light of day.
Too much is never enough
375 HP in 1965
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
Yes, I stand corrected.
I think the 365 was 2x4bbl? Single 4bbl? Carter AFB? Holly? Quad?
My brain cell fails me.
But I'm still looking for a correct answer to the 'what came after the 6cyl in the 'vette' question.
Too much is never enough
Don't believe there was a 365. My '62 Fuelie was 360 HP and the two quad version was 340.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
I believe the L76 motor was 365hp.
But, Like I said, I'm down to a SINGLE brain cell (active) and may yet be wrong:
Too much is never enough
There WAS a 365 HP Corvette Motor - see link for the whole history
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
Bingo:
The Corvette L-76 was a 327.
I think it was 2x4bbl and probably had a nice, lumpy idle.
Too much is never enough
was primarily used in trucks
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
According to wiki the 6 pot was simply deleted in '56 and the smallest engine option was then the 265 (4.3L) V8 with between 210 and 240hp.
Engine size increased to 283 cu in in '57.
yes.
In modern lingo, it was a 4.3
Not the smallest V-8 ever but certainly on the small side.
Today? Their are supercars with smaller than 4.3
Too much is never enough
No but this may be the smallest V16 ever:
http://bangshift.com/general-news/videos/hearing-test-video-is-the-brm-v16-the-best-sounding-race-motor-of-all-time/
It's a supercharged 1.5L (91 cu in) F1 race motor designed by BRM in 1947.
By 1950 it produced 600hp @ 12000rpm although not very reliably!
I just realized that the BRM was NOT a 'Vee' engine but rather an 'H' configuration.
This was accompllished by basically stacking 2x FLAT EIGHTS on top of one another and GEARING them together to a common output shaft.
Needless to say, it was mechanically complex and just the plumbing alone would give you a headache.
Too much is never enough
No, different motors but I mistakenly linked to a picture of the H16 when I meant the earlier V16.
The H16 was indeed made from two flat8s but it totalled 3000cc and was normally aspirated while the V16 displaced 1500cc and used a centrifugal supercharger made by Rolls Royce.
Some years ago I've seen it at Goodwood. The motor looked almost toy like.
Didn't sound like one though...
Finally found a photo of the V-16 and it LOOKS like almost the nightmare the H-16 was!
And the callout I read says it was a nearly Square design so it limited valve size.
I'd love to see a short stroke RETHINK of this engine. It must have been incredibly robust to sustain the boost pressures the article quotes.
Too much is never enough
It was quite reliable eventually but unfortunately by then the F1 rules had changed and it was obsolete.
Interestingly, that's a H16 pictured.
You're right.
Here's the actual V16... I hope.
The smallest production V-8 I know of might be the BUICK engine which was eventually sold to Rover who continued production and development. At 3.5liters? pretty darn small.
The Buick original was Aluminum Block.
Too much is never enough
I know they made various very small displacement racing engines in the 1960s. Not sure about the V8. The V12 was 1.5 liters.
Edits: 09/26/15
500cc 130HP at 23,000 RPM remember?
Edits: 09/26/15
You guys keep going to racing autos.
yes, some really wacky stuff has been made for racing. The honda 'oval' cylinder is one terrific idea but I think you'd need a pair of 'em in an opposed or 'vee' configuration for balance.
But for production autos? That Buick / Rover V-8 is the smallest I know of right off hand.
Too much is never enough
Daimler 250.With a 2.5L V8 which the designer based on a Cadillac V8 which he shrank down until it would fit Triumph motorbike heads.
BMW offered a all alloy 2.6L V8 in their 502 from 1954.
Edits: 09/27/15
What a dog of an engine!
The 4 cyl Dolemite Sprint engine was already a nightmare. What could go wrong by mating two together into a V8?
Cheers,
John K
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