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In Reply to: RE: Need discussion group about health care and health care providers posted by Goober58 on October 27, 2014 at 11:51:40
With regard to your thread title, not so much.
It's all political.
But, as long as you've brought up the topic, our health insurance has gone UP by about $2,000 a year since the enactment of Obama"care", and fixin' to go up again. WTF?!
Oh, and health insurance company stocks are doing quite well. Check out Humana, United Healthcare, Aetna, etc. So much for "looking out for the middle class"!!
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In the last 2 years not at all.People shouldn't whine about this plan - it's the working man's bridge to financial security. The ability for politics to turn the average Joe against this plan is quite stunning. People would sacrifice a limb or a child they get so embroiled in these marketing efforts.
At just about every level the health care system is ruining financial security of this nation. Such a plan is a no-brainer and should be tweeked and refined to work most properly.
Pathetic how Americans want/expect health care but are so unwilling to pay for it.
Yet they willingly pony up for one endless money pit after another - immigration, the war on drugs and the war on terror. Talk about misplaced priorities. But then again the lobby for the good of the people is quite small if not non-existent in the USA. A few are basking in the glory of it all.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Edits: 10/28/14
"In the last 2 years not at all.
People shouldn't whine about this plan - it's the working man's bridge to financial security."
PLEASE, tell us what health insurance company you have.
Ours, BCBS, is the cheapest among the well-known companies, has gone up substantially, and will be going up again after 12/31/14.
BTW, have you looked at health insurance/health care stock performance? Apparently, they're doing just fine under ObamaCare. I hope you're invested in them.
As I wrote previously, "so much for looking out for the middle class".
...of course they're doing fine.
The goal was to require all of the young healthy folks to sign up for insurance to help offset the loss of lifetime maximums and pre-existing conditions.
That's the way the "insurance pool" works.
So far it's working pretty well and because there are no price controls in Obamacare, they are making more profits than ever before.
And they can still increase your rates.
...double digit annual increase from 1999 to 2012 with 22% being the highest.
Now we're talking a couple of percent.
The House led by Boner voted over 50 times to repeal Obamacare.
Talk about insanity or it is merely pandering...
Get it right.
Dr. Boner was a noted acoustician. See:
http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/jaes.obit/JAES_V27_6_PG538.pdf
John Boehner, on the other hand, is Speaker of The House of Representatives.
"Talk about insanity or it is merely pandering..."
Neither - I think it's politics. It's how they protect their special interest supporters share of the budget deficit. What they say their position is is just a facade of what they are actually doing - and they do this because it's how they get people to vote for them.
The rich get richer while the public in general gets poorer. It's the plan and it's been working out quit well for several decades now.
The rich and big business get far more in return for lobbying dollars investment than reinvesting in their operations.
Damn how I miss a conservative wing of government.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"The primary cause of the insurance premium rate hikes under ObamaCare is the requirement for insurers to cover high-risk consumers. Insurance companies can no longer deny Americans with pre-existing conditions and can't charge higher rates based on health status or gender. These factors, along with a few other required benefits, rights and protections (like the elimination of lifetime and annual dollar limits) have led to rate increases over the past few years. The good news is that many Americans can now get reduced premium rates and lower out-of-pocket costs by enrolling in a plan on their State's health insurance marketplace."The premiums for some plans have gone down.
Healthcare costs have been reduced because ER visits have declined.
23 states refused to expand Medicaid for their poor even though the federal government would pay for it - political.
Some employers have cut full-time employees or cut hours back so they will not have to provide health insurance benefits for their employees - political.
The only way to insure everyone is covered and costs are reduced would be to provide Medicare (which costs at least 20% less than private insurance) for everyone - political.
Edits: 10/28/14
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