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What good is it to quit drinking, smoking and achieve a proper weight so some doctor can prescribe poison that's more deadly than any of these vices?
They give me these beta blockers to make it hard for my heart rate to go up? Well whatever it's kind of hard to exercise and stay oxygenated with a suppressed heartbeat. OK fine I can stick to a bicycle. Now they want to give me a stress test. Cool. And they tell me not to take my meds for a day before the test. WTF? Why oh why do I need a stress test?
They give me this other shit to for some other shit reason that can make my arms turn blue, give me lung fibroids, and various other cancers. Not to mention cause lack of coordination and dizziness (like just about every med they've asked me to take). They told me it was a baby dose - 3 years ago. They told me they were going to ween my off it. Well it's no a baby dose and they've made no effort to monitor the side effects (inspite of what I've told them much less ween me off it - surely I'm just some Fing moron idiot compared to their magnificence).
Well anyways I'm going to fire this Fing moron but I need to find a decent replacement first.
Anyone know of discussion groups for people interested in good health care providers?
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Follow Ups:
With regard to your thread title, not so much.
It's all political.
But, as long as you've brought up the topic, our health insurance has gone UP by about $2,000 a year since the enactment of Obama"care", and fixin' to go up again. WTF?!
Oh, and health insurance company stocks are doing quite well. Check out Humana, United Healthcare, Aetna, etc. So much for "looking out for the middle class"!!
:)
In the last 2 years not at all.People shouldn't whine about this plan - it's the working man's bridge to financial security. The ability for politics to turn the average Joe against this plan is quite stunning. People would sacrifice a limb or a child they get so embroiled in these marketing efforts.
At just about every level the health care system is ruining financial security of this nation. Such a plan is a no-brainer and should be tweeked and refined to work most properly.
Pathetic how Americans want/expect health care but are so unwilling to pay for it.
Yet they willingly pony up for one endless money pit after another - immigration, the war on drugs and the war on terror. Talk about misplaced priorities. But then again the lobby for the good of the people is quite small if not non-existent in the USA. A few are basking in the glory of it all.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Edits: 10/28/14
"In the last 2 years not at all.
People shouldn't whine about this plan - it's the working man's bridge to financial security."
PLEASE, tell us what health insurance company you have.
Ours, BCBS, is the cheapest among the well-known companies, has gone up substantially, and will be going up again after 12/31/14.
BTW, have you looked at health insurance/health care stock performance? Apparently, they're doing just fine under ObamaCare. I hope you're invested in them.
As I wrote previously, "so much for looking out for the middle class".
...of course they're doing fine.
The goal was to require all of the young healthy folks to sign up for insurance to help offset the loss of lifetime maximums and pre-existing conditions.
That's the way the "insurance pool" works.
So far it's working pretty well and because there are no price controls in Obamacare, they are making more profits than ever before.
And they can still increase your rates.
...double digit annual increase from 1999 to 2012 with 22% being the highest.
Now we're talking a couple of percent.
The House led by Boner voted over 50 times to repeal Obamacare.
Talk about insanity or it is merely pandering...
Get it right.
Dr. Boner was a noted acoustician. See:
http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/jaes.obit/JAES_V27_6_PG538.pdf
John Boehner, on the other hand, is Speaker of The House of Representatives.
"Talk about insanity or it is merely pandering..."
Neither - I think it's politics. It's how they protect their special interest supporters share of the budget deficit. What they say their position is is just a facade of what they are actually doing - and they do this because it's how they get people to vote for them.
The rich get richer while the public in general gets poorer. It's the plan and it's been working out quit well for several decades now.
The rich and big business get far more in return for lobbying dollars investment than reinvesting in their operations.
Damn how I miss a conservative wing of government.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"The primary cause of the insurance premium rate hikes under ObamaCare is the requirement for insurers to cover high-risk consumers. Insurance companies can no longer deny Americans with pre-existing conditions and can't charge higher rates based on health status or gender. These factors, along with a few other required benefits, rights and protections (like the elimination of lifetime and annual dollar limits) have led to rate increases over the past few years. The good news is that many Americans can now get reduced premium rates and lower out-of-pocket costs by enrolling in a plan on their State's health insurance marketplace."The premiums for some plans have gone down.
Healthcare costs have been reduced because ER visits have declined.
23 states refused to expand Medicaid for their poor even though the federal government would pay for it - political.
Some employers have cut full-time employees or cut hours back so they will not have to provide health insurance benefits for their employees - political.
The only way to insure everyone is covered and costs are reduced would be to provide Medicare (which costs at least 20% less than private insurance) for everyone - political.
Edits: 10/28/14
Ultimately we are responsible for our health.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 10/27/14
Go look? LMAO - that response is as responsive as the normal drivel I get from most health care providers.
Nice!
Give me rhythm or give me death!
you have been on or are on now, and add the words 'forum' / 'discussion group'I've just come home from a meeting with my Doctor when I got her to agree to my stopping a newly prescribed (previously dropped by me) anti-hypertensive drug. Because it was i) causing the same problems again, and ii) interfering with one of three self-help programs I have put myself on.
That project came about, within the last month because of a problem I'd recognised. Through web searching and friends, I quickly found local people who can help me to strengthen my core muscles and perhaps avoid surgery for this problem.
This will enhance the other two self-help plans I am following.
LBNL. I am not in the USA. I am not one of your health care providers, nor am I you. Nor do I have your problems, which I'd bet you need to understand a good deal better, than you do now.
And, I am committed to self help.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 10/27/14
"Nor do I have your problems, which I'd bet you need to understand a good deal better, than you do now."
There ya go again you condescending twit. Ya totally ignored what I've said and imposed your magnificent self upon me.
At least I can fire my doctor...
Give me rhythm or give me death!
...point.
Ultimately YOU are responsible for your health and healthcare.
So inform yourself and be your own advocate.
There are some very good websites you can trust like Mayo Clinic, WebMD and a few others.
Search them, find out about your conditions and medications, write down your questions before your appointment, have a conversation with your doctors and be your own advocate.
Like our political leaders, we get the healthcare we settle for.
So the appropriate response to someone trying to educate and be proactive with their health care is to tell them they have much to learn and they are responsible for their own health.
Wow that's such an enlightened point. But it's actually so ironic that this is the kind of pigeon holed thoughtless response many Americans (not just me) get when talking to their Doctors.
As if being mindless pissants is requirement of good citizenship. No doubt it wouldn't take many questions or even a minor inquisition for a doctor to tell me to GFYS. Well I take that back - they say that but in their own way. Probably something they learn in college.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Not "health care". Tom Duncan had "health care". But did he have USA health insurance?
...in every other modern democracy in the world, *everyone* has health insurance.
It's only in the US that millions still don't.
:-)!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Its a balance between positive and negative aspects. All of medicine is fine tuning to that point, but its a range of values. The cardiac stress test is taken outside of of your usual med regime (as much as possible) to find your baseline condition. It seems counterintuitive, but the cause is right.I'm not sure what your other med is, or is for, but its one that obviously tries to navigate that sweet spot on the curve. Coumadin can be like that, but if clotting is an issue, then the side effects are a good trade for what it prevents. It is one of the drugs that docs will usually "wean" you off of.
From the limited info you gave, it sounds like you need a GP to coordinate treatments between specialists. This is a big problem in this country; no oversight. You have been a victim of not enough explanation. There are various online resources now, discussing various treatments and drug regimens in depth. Try checking into these. Don't overreact about what's hapening to you; dig deeper and demand explanations of treatments. Good luck to you. You are probably in better hands that you have been led to believe, but ask for reassurance.
Edits: 10/27/14
I got a pacemaker and have had it since 2001. Just a blockage (electrical) - no plumbing problems.
Honestly I don't believe the people setting up and monitoring my pacemaker or my cardiologist have set the thing up properly for my lifestyle. Of course nobody ever asked me if I wanted to go on this drug or that. At one time the mix was right - over time it's changed and I am nearly handicapped because of the current mix.
It's a Fing nightmare when I try to talk to these people - it's like I'm some pissant mouse how dare I question them. The truth here, as I'm beginning to realize, they are unwilling or incapable of answering my questions.
It's pathetic - I see the same thing with other family members and their doctors. Some just take it others can't say enough about it.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
...they vary widely by town and healthplan.
My advice would be to ask a local nurse or doctor who they see for their healthcare.
A couple of the biggest problems with our current healthcare system is:
1. There is no rating system for doctors - yet.
2. There is no incentive to keep you healthy because the system only gets paid for interventions when you have a problem.
I could go on and talk about the Big Pharma lobbyists owning the system and how we pay the highest price in the world for our drugs...
For many of us it's a purely subjective decision. PSB Stratus Golds were better than described in the glowing reviews. However I learned after owning them, as "good" as they were, they weren't any good for me.
I believe most doctors meet some standard of "goodness". But so what when I want to find one that's right for me.
I made an extra appointment with my heart dr. this year because I suspected I was having problems with my "drug" list. OK fine he made my requested adjustment. This was real important for my standard of living and a great thing - but at my next appointment there was no mention or question from him about this adjustment. I think he's got a bizzilion other patients and doesn't have the time to care about much more than getting to the next appointment.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
...one who listens to you, is intelligent, has good diagnostic/problem-solving skills and seems to care.
Most Internal Medicine physicians have around 2500 patients in their practices.
With HMOs, Medicare and healthplans paying them less, they must see more patients and spend less time with each one to keep their incomes the same.
A doctor will not remember he adjusted your meds - if he's good, he will have noted it in your chart and reviewed the chart before he saw you.
He should require you come in for an annual physical where he goes over all of your conditions, lab results, medications and questions.
I think that's a problem with many doctors that are in large municipalities and work with a number of given hospitals. Many organizations are now affiliated and the doctors that are affiliated with the hospitals are just looking to get to the next patient. It's unfortunate but it's how healthcare is in today's world. It's corporate greed at the top and then it pushes it's way down. The consumer for the most part is screwed unless they can fins a general doc that will actually look out for the patient and not the dollars coming in.
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