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In Reply to: RE: Manning is short on one record...Super Bowl Wins! posted by Rod M on October 21, 2014 at 13:56:51
Bradshaw and Aikman were better QBs than Peyton because their teams won more SBs. And to continue with your tortured reasoning: Super Bowl wins are the sole accomplishment, or nearly so, of the QB, the rest of the team is largely irrelevant. Pretty simplistic, isn't it?I think it more accurate, and intellectually honest, to acknowledge that Super Bowl wins are largely a team effort. When was the last time a team won a Super Bowl without a great defense and special teams?
Edits: 10/21/14Follow Ups:
Here are some critical ones for Peyton; I remember him being terrific during the season for many years--- and falling apart in playoffs.
"Playoff Record as Starting QB: 1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1), 2012 (0-1), 2013 (2-1)
Playoff Comebacks: 2006 (1)
Playoff Game-Winning Drives: 2006 (1)"
pro-football-reference.com
Ted Williams is acknowledged as the greatest hitter to ever play the game. He was the last player to hit 400. At age 38 he hit 388. At age 41 he hit 316. He retired with a lifetime batting average of 344. Only a small percentage of players will ever hit 300 for a single year. Yet Williams’ World Series average is 200. But I’ve never heard anyone argue (with a straight face) that because of his mediocre post season stats Williams was not the best hitter the game has ever seen.
The post season for any sport is exceedingly brief and does not offer us an accurate snapshot of a player’s abilities. Don Larson is the only pitcher in World Series history to toss a perfect game but he was a mediocre pitcher. When evaluating a player's legacy one must look at the **totality** of his career. That is the proper yardstick. And as the writer said, “no other QB has been as proficient for such a sustained period of time as Manning has been, and he will likely remain atop that list for some time to come."
How could you compare Babe Ruth's record to the steroid era hitters?
Manning has thrown over 8,500 passes; Montana, 5,400. Teams don't have much for running games these days. It's apples and oranges.
-Rod
today's game is more complex. The offenses and defenses are more sophisticated.
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