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In Reply to: RE: What research says about cats... posted by genungo on October 20, 2014 at 09:16:54
Is what you presented. Along with your feelings about cats and pets.Science presents us with conditional information. My qualifications, and work were in measuring us humans, and getting us to change how and what we do. And in assessing / critiquing what other management scientists come up with.
Science is a human activity and therefore inevitably subjective. It also requires value judgements a fact many will not acknowledge, which is a concern.Viz. Much of science is based in hypothesis testing and suffers from a high probability (beta) of type 2 error. This is manifest to me because the value of beta is very rarely reported in scientific journals.
In the science of audio this is a striking problem, let alone all the other problems noted in threads here at AA. Search on objectivity here.
The other problem in science is this witless attachment to using unbiassed estimators for variables we are interested in. This is almost never appropriate. Because errors of equal size above and below the mean are hardly ever of equal concern with real world issues.
Our barely at peace cats? If we have been away for a while they wait for us out the front of the block, together.
More often than not this isn't at morning or evening meal times, and they are at these time unusually desirous of company, pats and cuddles.
Our study of cats has a very high n, and a very low value for beta. :-).
And, we are not going to stop posting about our cats. :-)
I am fully aware of the impact cats have on wildlife. We carefully manage our cats and bring them in long before dusk, similar in the morning.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Edits: 10/20/14Follow Ups:
Nobody suggested that you (or anyone else) should stop posting about cats here, Timbo.
As a matter of fact, I want everyone to post pictures of all their pets along with their addresses and other vital info. That way, the pet gestapo can do their job effectively.
:-)!
We all have agendas. You made yours clear. You don't think we should keep cats, ergo - then we'd stop posting about them.
An alternative view of the risks you mention? Many scientists think a lot of the Western world's health issues reside in our increasing isolation from infective vectors, yeasts .......
Caesarian births where the baby is not in contact with mum's pooh, and the decrease in breast feeding are two factors.
Let's do the freak-out again, eh?!!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
No need get all emotional on me, Timbo. There's no agenda here, I'm just trying to pass along some interesting info. I really didn't realize I'd be starting a cat fight...
BTW, I agree that there should have no qualms about dipping into ol' Mum's poo on occasion. It's the animal poo that concerns me.
various raptors, foxes, coyotes, rabbits, deer a bear or three and Schnitzle. All live on our property, I am pretty sure they all shit too. We move some of the shit from one place to another and some shit we grow what we eat in. Most of the wild shit just lays there and gives up nitrogen and potassium for our forest to thrive with
4 of us live here, a couple of others work here quite a bit, I have had events and parties and house concerts with nearly 200 folks at times who lollygagged on the ground or hiked or eaten here. Not one case of a shit caused illness. None of the various animals seem affected by any of the other species shit either. I have alot of land here and I imagine over the years that hundreds of tons of shit has been dropped all over it. Go back further and it may be a million pounds of all kinds of shit.
Then there are the dead, they die and lay there and become maggot ranches. Sometimes when they are too close to the structures I tie them to a quad and drag them off a mile or two. No epidemic of any kind has hit....
Man has lived with animals for as long as man has been on earth. Some bite, some sting, some will eat you and yet we still live with them and those who do will continue to do so, despite a totally off the wall concern from people like yourself. There is a word for it, I imagine you know what it is.
I dunno, I'd imagine that occasional contact with vermin is a different thing than living with it and breathing it in 24/7...
do you have feather pillows or down comforters? Every time you move on a regular mattress or move a down comforter or your head moves on a feather pillow you inhale the dead decayed bodies o as well as the shit of millions of mites. It just poofs up and into your nose. Your body is festooned with mites, and encrusted with mite shit. I spent 13 years + educating people about just this subject (as well as many other things).
Sweet dreams
Yes, and I know about the bugs, etc... Since I already have enough of my own bugs to deal with and get used to, I don't need or require any more.
Who'da thought of that.
the 'cogito, cogito' problem is alive and well!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
shit.
:-)!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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