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I visited my parents today, I saw all kinds of PC "newspeak". A woman on TV said "I ordered Chinese, oops I mean "asian""
what the hell is going on... this is a orwellian nightmare!
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It's usually denoted as being Asian Fusion food and can include the food styles of the various nations with large Chinese population plus some of the non-Chinese, but Asian food styles. But if she was referring to specifically Chinese food, well, that is like calling Apple Pie, Causcasian or Western cuisine, I guess, the latter of which is really not offensive in any way. Now, I will have some Caucasian chips, I mean, potatoe chips.
"potatoe" chips?
Looks like Dan Quale was your English teacher ;-)
Cheers,
Al
Never heard anyone shy away from identifying a type of food by its nation of origin.Newspeak indeed. Insane and scary stupid.
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So what are we supposed to call Mexican food, Latin? The Mexican restaurant in my town has the name Mexican in it, it's owned and run by Mexicans. Mario, the owner, would surely laugh and I'm going to ask him next time I'm in there. Great guy!
.... I don't care what anybody says, ordering Chinese food from a Chinese restaurant is not offensive.
However it can be offensive to call Chinese food, "Asian". While it might be Asian, it is more correctly, Chinese.
It is akin to ordering food from an Australian or American restaurant and saying it is incorrect to say, Australian or American and must be referred to as, Caucasian! (gawd, wouldn't that go down like a lead balloon)
I just shake my head sometimes at the silliness of some things.
Smile
Sox
Or it could be food from the Caucuses, such as Georgian or Ossetian dishes?HAR! :-)
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Oriental either..............Krikey
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
...a world-famous Dep't. of Oriental Studies I wonder?
Department of Oriental Studies is not objectionable. It's just that the Orient is not a race or ethnicity. There's nothing wrong with the word itself, but for whatever reason, the Asian American community does not want to be called Oriental. If they find it offensive, then don't call them that. SImple as that.
I'm not into the PC movement, but when a minority group asks not to be labeled a certain way, I comply gladly.
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Ha Ling Peak is a peak at the northwestern end of Mount Lawrence Grassi. A mountain located near the town of Canmore just east of the Spray Lakes road in Alberta's Canadian Rockies. It was previously named Chinaman's Peak but the name was changed to be less offensive.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
I've climbed the backside of that mountain several times. Not all that bad a hike for a young person in decent physical condition. Of course this was many years ago and when it was still called Chinaman's Peak.Just across the valley is a mountain called Lady MacDonald, and it is also a fairly reasonable hike/scramble, until you get close to the top. To achieve the final peak, one must pucker up ones sphincter! I did it once without ropes and that was enough for me.
Here's a couple pics of the final ridge to reach the summit. Hairy stuff - for me anyway. The other 95% of the climb is more or less a steep hike, but the difficulty changes radically at the top. Not my pics BTW.
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Frenchman -- none of those are offensive ... why Chinaman?
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
Because of the way it was used as a taunt of an oppressed people throughout a chunk of American (and likely English and Canadian?) history.Why is "Gook" offensive to Koreans, when it just means country in the Korean language? Han Gook is Korea (as in Hankook tires) and Mi Gook is America. It's offensive in reference to the Korean people because it was used derisively during the Korean War and, later, misused derisively with reference to other Asians, including Vietnamese during the Vietnam war.
These terms emerged as slang words to denote racial superiority over their targets.
"Englishman" and "Frenchman", have always been the formal nouns to denote such people. The noun and adjective for a Chinese person was and is "Chinese", just like a Russian person is a "Russian", not a "Russiaman" (or a "Russky" for that matter, except is the Russian language, where that is the proper self-description). It is all about context, and that matters.
You can argue against whether my last paragraph is meaningful or correct, but not with the way "Chinaman" or "Gook" have been used and why it logically follows that Chinese and Koreans don't' like it.
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and I appreciate your answer. I understand Gook, Chink, Kike, Wop,Polak etc., etc. but I never knew why Chinaman shouold be offensive. Guess it's just because some think it is.
When I was at Umass Amherst we were the Redmen. Now changed ro Minutemen. I always thought of such terms as more of an honor than an insult. Wrong again, I guess!
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
Talk about Orwellian craziness. How did you survive? :-)
When my brother went there in the mid-1980s the town council voted to fly the UN flag instead of the Stars and Stripes in the town park. And I could go on and on. Whatever.
Not sure if it's still like that, or was like that when you were there.
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Not QUITE as crazy then. Early vestiges were just beginning to appear
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
To me the Politically Correct movement is an abomination, but I view it narrowly.
For example, it is ignorant, misguided political correctness to ban Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn because of the use of the word "nigger", or to excise it out of published copies, or to accuse me of being racist because I just wrote that word in a sentence within the context of those books.
It is not P.C., however, to lambaste anyone who calls a black person by that term. Nor is it P.C. to push for the the Cleveland Indians to change their racist logo or the Washington Redskins to change their name.
The line might not always be clear, but it seems easy enough to me when the issues arise.
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the Chinaman's Peak was viewed as derogatory by Chinese living in Alberta.Anyway, below is the Wiki link history of the mountain...why it's being named Chinaman's Peak and its subsequent name changed in the 90's.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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I had to put on a jacket to view it!!
This is the view of Banff as you enter the main avenue during the winter. However, don't let the pretty scenery fool you as the temperature in this area can go as low as -40 in a heartbeat.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
I imagine folks attempt to climb it, how many do not come down again?
Hood, here in OR, also has claimed its share of adventurous souls. Every year, someone opines that these foiks' families should bear the cost of the bodies' recovery.
I think some areas now are charging survivors for the costs of their rescues?
But at 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft) elevation ASL, the Sulphur Mountain is famous for hikers who like to explore the beauty of the area. The ride in the Gondola is priceless....
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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