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In Reply to: RE: Funnily enough, I happen to really, really like Ales posted by b.l.zeebub on August 30, 2014 at 13:00:18
So there's a lot of overpriced crap about, no?
IF you don't like the various British ales nor the Belgian ones? You still might want to see if you can find Coopers Sparkling Ale in a decent bottleoh in London, or their Pale Ale.
Your (UK) Beer Hunter, Michael Jackson calls their Sparkling Ale - 'the champagne of beers'. You _can_ serve a Coopers ale a little colder then British ales. There are two ways to pour it, both are the same but you can also turn the bottle to distribute the remains of the yeast cells beforehand.
Personally, I don't think it enhances the yeastiness which is a quite strong flavour component anyway, and it ruins the lovely copper colour. It is very well hopped, too! Tassie hops.
Not quite as strong as some very strong British Ales.
All of Coopers ales (bar one new) IIRC are made on lees in the bottle, and sold with the lees still in the bottle. No riddling / remuage and degorgement is applied.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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Well I do live in the UK however I am german born and bred so by default I grew up with and generally prefer lager. Unfortunately Red Stripe (jamaican and brewed here under license) is the only drinkable lager produced in the UK. Even the british-made licensed Löwenbräu is rubbish but then again I do not rate the german original very highly either.I do like british ales but it very much depends on the pub which is serving it.
You might like Ale X in pub A but then in pub B the very same Ale X could well be horrid.
They all seem to be less than stellar from a bottle or even a can (the horror!).
Btw technically wheat beers are ales, not lagers so they do make some decent ales in Germany.Not sure if you know that but 'Ur-' means original. Hence Pilsener Urquell was the very first Pils while Einbecker Urbock is the bock from which all other bocks were derived.
The Bavarians liked Einbecker so much they headhunted one of their brewmasters centuries ago and the rest is history.
Similarly stout is a London invention which tickled the taste buds of the irish while falling out of favour in London.
Edits: 08/31/14
The Coopers being bottle conditioned are far better.
Do try them!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I will if I ever find it. ;-)
When I lived in London in the 80's I switched to real ales almost immediately because of the problems with Pommy lagers. And the Pils were even worse! There was nothing that wasn't disgusting. They completely destroyed the local XXXX. I discovered Fullers ESB and never looked back!
Cheers,
John K
The worst offenders are lagers on draught in the UK.
If it takes less than 5 minutes (absolute minimum) to draw a pint of lager they are doing it wrong.
Very, very wrong.
If the system is not pressurized (I haven't found a pressurized one in the UK yet) what comes out is too flat and headless besides being usually too warm.
Not quite as $$$ as Urquell.
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