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In Reply to: RE: OK a delicate question for the bike people posted by Batman on June 20, 2012 at 10:00:55
But I now see that I'm somewhat late to the party....
Jim
Simplify.
Follow Ups:
The owner of my LBS suggested I try pants before I put out the bucks for a seat. One of the reasons I like this guy is that he doesn't' try to sell things he doesn't think you need.
Look at me, I'm gonna be just like JimK :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
Previously, you weren't ......?
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
Naked coed bike riding?
Bill's Audio Cave
spandex pants on his ass anytime soon :-) Sarah's laughing her ass off!
Bill's Audio Cave
My biking shorts consist of two layers- a padded "spandex" inner layer, and an outer layer to make them look like normal shorts.Something like this (and link), but not this exact model:
So with all due respect, please tell Miss Sarah to wipe that "I told you so!" smirk off her face! :)
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
And I can't decide on whether to get a pair like you show or to get a pair of padded underwear and then wear my own shorts (or trousers in the fall) over top.
At any rate, thanks for the suggestions and I'll tell Sarah that you said to STFU :-)
Bill's Audio Cave
So far I have her fooled into thinking I'm a nice guy!
Jim
Simplify.
...the tighter (and usually the sillier looking) the better.
Anything baggy just makes thing worse.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
that it pushes your nuts back in your abdomen, but it should keep everything in the same place where you adjusted it. Baggy will chafe after a few hours. I have ridden several century rides to let you know that after about 5 hours anything can be a problem :). The Performance ultra shorts have been better than my ultra expensive Gore bike bibs...heck when on sale you can buy several pairs for the price the Gore cost me. Performance has a sale right now you can get their best shorts 50% off. (the price not the shorts).
Speaking of bike weights,,,2 pounds does nto make a difference, 10 does. The other thing a modern carbon bike does rides much smoother than any metal frame can, few legendary steel frames will be stiffer and more damped than a good modern carbon bike. Some of the new carbon bikes will have a dead feel to them, but the better ones are a lot livelier and more fun to ride than any steel frame. Talking about old dudes and rides...
We have a friend who has a blown knee, but has been riding our neck of the woods for 40+ years. He knows every pothole and he can run all of us ragged while he is riding on a steel fixie with sawn ups. When he is on his carbon Colnago or Pinarello bike, he regularly pushes the weakest ones up the hills, and keeps going back and forth between the pack leader and the slackers including me., So experience counts for more than the bike. A good bike does not make you much faster, but it makes you comfortable for very long rides, and makes every minute enjoyable. The difference between a Shimano Dura Ace grouppo and the Ultegra is not operation, but, how well it holds adjustments, and how well it will behave when it is pushed to extremes, the same is true for all the others, like SRAM and Campanoglo, their best stuff is built for extreme performance and extreme reliability. But when it is in regular use the difference is not that great, it is just a bit nicer. I have an older Trek Madone with Dura Ace components, my wife's Madone 5.1 has Utegra, i have to adjust her Bike once or twice a season, mine can go a couple without touching a single thing. But you know biking is much like audio, yes you can listen to music very well with a pair of Spendor BC1s and an old quad amp, sourcing all from a nice rega table, but hey a SME 30 with a soundlab majestic 945 driven by atmasphere ma2s will sound nicer :)
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
...and I've had ample opportunity to. I know I'd like it and want it. But, I don't need it.Same reason why I don't go into audio stores anymore ...what I have is good enough for me. I don't need temptation.
I got to drive a Ferrari Modena recently. I want one, but can't afford one ...so no temptation there.
Good to hear Colnago and Pinarello are still around and that folks still ride sew-ups. Back when I was keeping up with the sport I wanted a Serrota or a CIOCC. Are they still around?
Thanks for the good read.
Dean.
edited for speling
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Edits: 06/21/12
Serotta is still around, they make custom bikes
http://www.nichedistributions.com/serotta
I think Ciocc is defunct, but do not quote me on that. I had a Ciocc MOCKBA frame made for commemorating the 1980 olympics, was left here by a friend who lived with us for a while and it was just a tad bit big for me so i gave it away :). My friend who makes me tired on rides has it....David, who left the frame here, was his friend to start with and David also owed him a bunch of stuff over the years, i felt it was my duty to give it to him and the frame is more like his size anyway :).
Pinarello makes some incredible bikes, the Dogma 6.2 is apparently the new king of the road but at around 12K is a bit out of most people's reach, me included :) Bianchi is another holdout in the italian bunch, Colnago is well and alive....
dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I rode a Basso until my close encounter with a Metro-Dade bus 20 years ago. That was chromalloy steel but they're fully into carbon now I see and the prices at this site I picked off Google not too bad.
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
...and I'll take the one in the link ...because I am old and set in my ways.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Glad they are still in production..
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
quote by Kurt Vonnegut
I don't want to emphasize that I have no ass! Sarah tells me that all the time. So, I would prefer tight ones with a pair of regular britches over top.
Bill's Audio Cave
1. I don't wanna go around causing undue and irreparable harm to impressionable, young minds, you know?
2. At the speeds I ride (seldom over 21 MPH), wind resistance isn't an issue.
3. I do own several pair of "typical" bike shorts (but don't tell Bill, ok?), but to be perfectly honest, until I drop another 10 pounds or so, I'm just not all that comfortable wearing them on group/"social" rides as I'm a little self-conscious....
Jim
Simplify.
...and when I wear them I simply don't get off the bike until I am back home in the garage.
Speaking of wind resistance, I thought it funny when I got that pitch when buying various bike parts. I would always say to the salesman "You do understand that I will be on the bike?"
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
Along that same theme, several of my bicycling friends are trying to get me to step-up to a carbon road bike. Their reasoning? Less weight.My response: "Why am I going to worry about a few measly ounces on the bike, when I have pounds that need to be shed on my body?"
So far no one has been able to adequately answer that one....
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
...they call me "the old man with the steel bike".
My frame is steel, but hey, I'm only 53, hardly old.
I wonder what they would think of my turntable? I wonder if they've ever seen one?
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
And I find it somewhat amusing to watch the younger guys with their $3,500 carbon bikes (and limited skills) get "taken to the cleaners" by the older riders with their steel frames....and years of experience.Yet another reason I will not buy a carbon bike: I don't wish to be seen as a poseur.....
(But I have to admit that I've been taking a good, hard look at Cannondale's Synapse 5 Alloy (aluminum)...)
Jim
Simplify.
Edits: 06/21/12
I recall being loaned one of the first aluminum Cannondales back in '84 or '5 to try while the steel Basso was being serviced. A couple of laps of Turnberry Country Club was all it took to conform the super-quick handling and ass-torturing stiffness and angle of the frame.
Doing a century on aluminum would be unthinkable.
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
However, they've come-up with something they call the "SAVE" frame, which allows the rear frame to flex (somewhat) vertically to absorb shock, but retains side-to-side rigidity (link). Based on what I've been reading in the bike forums, as well as from speaking with a couple people that have this, the consensus seems to be "thumbs up"....
I can't afford carbon Bill, nor am I into this enough to justify the expense. The SAVE frame seems to offer some of the benefits of carbon (smoother ride, lighter weight than steel) without having to shell-out the cash....
Of course, I'll take one for a lengthy test ride (30-40 miles) before I plunk down the money, should I ever be so lucky to find myself with some "extra cash"....
Jim
Simplify.
but I knew what you meant...carry on...
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Edits: 06/21/12
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