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In Reply to: RE: altec 414-16b and 902-8t with 511b posted by walktheline26@hotmail.com on December 31, 2016 at 20:37:16
Check out this thread for some ideas
on 414 implementations.
Once you decide on, and build, a cabinet,
you can start listening to a wide variety
of crossover points. First order is simple
and can be very beautiful. You will find out
which driver is most interesting to you
in a given frequency range.
I often prefer a larger coil and smaller cap
than what comes up on the calculator values.
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great stuff Mats
thanks
I strongly suggest you give the Joe Roberts crossover approach (on the linked thread above) a try. It's very easy to do and there's a good chance you will be very pleased with it. I'm currently running GPA 414's full range with a TAD 2001 driver on a LeCleach horn with a first order high pass around 7200-7500 Hz. and an autoformer attenuator. I'm extremely pleased with how it sounds.
I've been working on doing the same thing. I have a pair of 414A's (two pair, actually, along with a pair of 414-8C's), 802-8D's, 32A horns, and NOS Gudeman PIO caps and a pair of custom 1dB step autoformers from Germany.
I'd love to hear how you wired your crossover.
The crossover I use just has a series cap, a variable shunting resistor across the autoformer inputs, and the autoformer itself.
I had a nice pair of matched oil caps tested at 2.07 uF. To get the desired crossover point around 7400 Hz, I needed a reflected impedance seen by the cap of about 10.4 ohms. The reflected impedance is the combined parallel resistance of the shunting resistor and the impedance seen from the autoformer. I'm using 9 dB of attenuation, which has a turns ratio of 2.833. The autoformer impedance is the 8 ohm driver x the square of the turns ratio, which equals 64 ohms. To get to my desired 10.4 ohm combined impedance, the shunting resistor needs to be 12.4 ohms.
By using a variable wire wound shunting resistor, I can tune the crossover frequency up and down using the same cap value. There are other ways to use an autoformer to get the desired results. This way seems to work well for me.
I have a pair of 3 ohm caps and 8 ohm 802D's as well as a pair of Werner Jagusch autoformers. I can't find it at the moment, but he shows a variable resistor in parallel with the primary of the autoformer. Presumably the autoformer will change impedance based on attenuation.
Bob Crites' 3636 autoformers are decent, have 1dB steps and currently sell for $35 each. One could use a copper alligator clip on a jumper to go around the taps. Sometimes its nice to use the high Z approach as smaller capacitors are generally less expensive than large. A swamping resistor across the driver can be used. Klipsch touted the high reflected Z reduced "Transient Intermodulation Distortion" (Otala).
3636 AUTOFORMER
Karlson Evangelist
What would the swamping resistor do in this case?
a swamping resistor would reduce the variation in impedance and possibly, response.
Karlson Evangelist
I have a pair of 3 ohm caps and 8 ohm 802D's with a pair of Werner Jagusch autoformers. In one of his diagrams he shows just such a variable resistor.
actually I now have 2 pairs of 414-16b's and the horns but nothing else .... lol, I'm looking for some schooling what would make this combo the best it can be. stay posted as so far there has been lots of good knowledge being shared.
Hmmm.. You could try the Rod Stewart Altecs, or a variant of it. But please, listen to the Faces instead of his disco daze phase if you finish your project. Just kidding.
Rod Stewart speakers sold by Richard's Gear?
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