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Guys I need your help desperately!I sold my Fostex FE208ES-R drivers on or about 12/13/2013 to a fellow in Norway who agreed to arrange to have them picked up at my home by some shipping/parcel service. The person who purchased the drivers was upset with me about 2 or 3 days after buying them because I didn't yet have the 2 FE208ES-R boxes inside a larger box, ready to be picked up! Which I did that exact same date. Then sometime soon after that the person who purchased these on or about 12-20-13 ceased to send me emails and ceased to respond to any of my posts here ---{that is "if" he was looking for me}--- didn't respond to my post at the link below on or about 2/25/2016 looking for him before reselling these drivers 27 months later!
I wouldn't have minded waiting a month, perhaps even two for this fellow to arrange to have these drivers picked up, but for 24 months to pass without them being picked up or the original buyer sending me an email telling me there would be a very long delay is just ridiculous! I honestly believed 24 months after paying $1600 for drivers and not having them picked up, sending me an email explaining the delay, or just responding to my many posts here, this fellow was either dead or in prison! So I placed the post at the link below here in A.A. were we used to converse looking for him just in case I was mistaken! But not getting any response to that post, I reposted my ad for the FE208ES-R drivers and sold them to a different person in Norway ---{I know, I know, talk about a coincidence}--- Well after about a week of arranging payment and shipping, the person who now purchased the FE208ES-R drivers from me this second time actually talked with a fellow claiming to be the original buyer from 12/13/2013! This fellow is now sending me emails threatening legal action! He says these are his drivers and now he wants them ---{I guess now that he cannot use my home as a continual storage area, he's mad}--- or else!
What should I do? I used the money from the second sale ---{which took place after I waited 27 months after the first sale and I tried to contact the original purchaser here}--- to purchase new speakers! Does anyone know the legality of all this? Isn't waiting 27 months more than fair? I even told this fellow Sl Uket ---{which you can see from my post below isn't the name I knew him by}--- who claims he's the original purchaser from 12/13/2103 that I'll give him 2 months free storage but for the 25 months after that, that he forced me to provide storage in my home ---{in my wife & my bedroom actually, for which I received endless nagging to have them removed for these past 2 years}--- for this 50lb box of drivers. I want either $13 a week or $50 a month for storage fees! I'm shocked that after 27 months of silence this fellow comes out acting pissed off that I sold his drivers! As if I'm the one that caused this problem! All it would have taken is 1 single email these past 2 years telling me, he needed more time to pick these drivers up and this problem wouldn't have occurred. Can you please hold onto them longer for me? What would you guys do? Remember I no longer have the second purchaser's cash from 2/29/2016.
It's my firm belief the original buyers very, very long 24 month delay without communicating with me, when he had my email address the entire time, is what lead me to believe he was either dead or in prison because I know I wouldn't pay $1600 for drivers and then stop talking to the seller still in possession of those drivers for over 2 years! So I sold the drivers again and used that money to purchase other speakers! I have no $$$$ to send back to the second buyer or the first buyer. I used the second buyers $$$$ to purchase new speakers and used the first buyers $$$$ from 27 months ago to pay medical bills. It's my belief the ORIGINAL BUYER created this problem by not contacting me! The original purchaser should have either:
a) had the speakers picked up within a reasonable time like 2 months.
b) or contacted me and asked for more time to arrange the pickup!This is all ORIGINAL BUYERS fault NOT MINE! I did everything in good faith with a clear conscious, but would still like to know what my legal rights are and what you gentlemen think about this terrible dilemma I'm now in...
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Edits: 03/07/16 05/03/17Follow Ups:
If not a little whacky. So, 27 months go by and you still have the merchandise and the money is spent (presumably long ago)?It was pretty clear to me how this whole ordeal could have been prevented. Shortly after losing contact, you should have just refunded his money.
You keep focusing on what he did wrong. You had ways of contacting him, and if you deleted the direct ones, then it was an unaccountable mistake. One assertive, final note with a time frame for expected pick up was all that was needed, and if there was no response then, or if the time was exceeded- money sent back with some kind of receipt that you did so. You even stated: "a reasonable time like 2 months". That was your responsibility to enforce. The cash wasn't yours until the goods were in his possession.
It may seem as though some here are being a little rough in their responses, and the situation would be a rough one to be in. I can't feel that bad for your situation however, especially since there were many subtle indicators in your "story" that you knew that you were in the wrong and were feeling a bit guilty.
Hey, the first buyer was an asshole. That doesn't mean that you need to be. Make it right. Unfortunately, that may mean selling something else to produce the funds to even it out, as was recommended below.
Cory
Edits: 03/26/16
Tom, are you SURE the two buyers are actually different people?? Maybe the buyer is scamming you to get his money back now that he has your drivers. Both coming from Norway seems fishy.
Thanks Brad but yes Yes I'm now convinced I'm indeed speaking with the original buyer. The thing that really upsets me is though is how he chooses to ignore me EVERYTIME I ask him why he didn't just arrange to have the parcel picked at my home in these past two+ years ---{ like he agreed to do when he originally purchased the drivers on 12/13/13 }---when he said he could it? He always just ignores that question and won't provide me with an answer!
In my heart I want to do the right thing and the only way I can do that is to send him $50 monthly until he's been paid back! One fellow said I should sell the preamp in power amp of my wife's audio system, which I call the " Home Theater ", but my wife shouldn't have to suffer for this fellow and whatever issues he must have.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
No doubt that "fellow" came up with the suggestion to sell off some of the HT system to payoff your debt as a result of what you list as your HT system in your "Systems" profile . In the description you use "I" a couple of times and never mention your wife or use "we/our". Thus it seems reasonable for that fellow to assume the stuff is yours to do with as you see fit.
Since the HT is now off limits, consider selling off a quad of those WE845s in the main system. Proceeds would probably finance a quad of lesser Chinese 845s (temporary use) AND make a big dent in your Norwegian debt even if the Psvanes are gently used.
Steve-o that's because my wife's audio system is what I consider to be my "Home Theater" system.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Yeah, if TubeGuy was angry about the guy not having the drivers picked up, imagine how angry the guy is going to be when he finds out that it'll be another two and a half years before he gets his money back (without interest!). Can y'all say "livid"? TubeGuy needs to write him a check for the full amount ASAP, or risk being sued.
:)
Actually since he made me wait 27 months I don't feel him having to wait to get totally reimbursed is such a big deal. I could be a jerk and say go ahead try and sue me in Florida from Norway, 27 months after you didn't honor the deal we made! Plus F.Y.I. I'm 62 and disabled living on social security disability, which by federal law cannot be garnished. So what could he sue me for?
But that's not my heart. I'll pay him back @ $50 monthly and no I won't sell any of my stuff to pay him back! Why? because he could have prevented this from happening by just either contacting me sometime in these past 27 months or simply having a shipper pick the parcel up at my home as he said he'd do when he purchased the drivers on 12/13/13!
The buyer caused all this to happen, not I!
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
If I were you I would sell those Italian 845 amps of yours to make things right.
You could then finance a new amp (credit card, bank loan etc...) and pay for it/them a little at a time over two years. That way you could save your reputation if that matters to you.
Or, you could sell whatever the hell else that you own that has value and use the funds to pay back the gentleman that was swindled......
Just because the gentleman is in Norway and you are in central Florida does not geographically insulate you from ??????
Hypothetical Example: let's say I have a nephew that is a petite little fellow - 6'5" 285 lbs - With hate in his heart!
Let's say this fellow lives in Ruskin, FL and would love to do his uncle a solid.........
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
You took the first guys money and spent it without delivering a product. If he didn't pick the product up within a reasonable time period, you should have reimbursed him and relisted the product.
You kept the first guys money and sold them to a second party for a similar amount and apparently sold and shipped a product that you no longer own, having sold it a another party. I am not even close to sure but I believe that in America they call that fraud. Double your money and double your pleasure, reduce shipping and handling costs by half by charging twice for the same item or service!You have repeatedly bragged about your super high end system and shown photos to anyone that would view them. You've got the money, pay him back, the full amount, all at once.
You recently asked for the best cost no object coax drivers and seemed to be interested in purchasing a pair based on this thread from Feb 24th:
http://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=hug&n=175164&highlight=thetubeguy1954&search_url=%2Fcgi%2Fsearch.mpl%3Fauthor%3Dthetubeguy1954%26user_id%3D7458%26forum%3DALL%26sortRank%3DNone%26sort%3Ddate%26sortOrder%3DDESC
Anyone that checked your posts can see that you are a liar and a cheat.You obviously know nothing about women and your wife is a saint for sticking around so long with someone that absolutely has to have the last word in every conversation. I don't blame her for using the box of speakers as an excuse to dump you. Perhaps if you would consider someone else's feelings and opinions before you shoot your mouth off she would not be commenting on a 2cuFt box that could be placed on a shelf.
You have been playing this poor cripple card for almost a decade now and you don't seem to be any closer to stopping your purchases of high end equipment. Maybe you should think of what you will leave your poor devoted wife and not what makes you happy for today.
I remember our conversations from about 10 years ago when you tried to scam me for a pair of vintage 10" speakers and you used the "I'm a poor crippled boy" bit on me and you went to the mods on this site at that time. You said that you were almost in tears because I wouldn't give you a discount. Up here, in Canada, we call people like that "assholes", it's a Canadian phase that means, "a person that has low moral standards and is not to be trusted". I believe they told you to shut the F--k up (I'm paraphrasing).
I believe you are a d--che bag and I would suggest that all AA members avoid doing any kind of transaction with you in the future.
Oh, and by the way please do not respond to this post as it will only reinforce your wife's view point that you can't let anyone have the last word. Just ask her!
Edits: 03/13/16 03/13/16
"since he made me wait 27 months I don't feel him having to wait to get totally reimbursed is such a big deal. I could be a jerk..."Kyle, ya know, some people just make up their own rules and laws and think they're fine. Tubester bitches about two drivers sitting in his house - AFTER BEING PAID, so he thinks the buyer should be fine with waiting to get his money back. "Tit for tat", in his mind. Yeah, I wouldn't do business with Tubester, either.
:)
Edits: 03/13/16
You mean he paid $1600 twice to get one pair of drivers?
Legal action can put Tom in a fix. Perhaps Tom should take a loan of 1600 from a bank or somewhere and return the money to the original buyer. Must keep clear of lawyers.
Bill
No Bill one fellow paid $1600 on 12/13/13 and he was supposed to have the drivers picked up at my home! I provided him with my address, the weight & dimensions of the box, so he had all the info he needed to arrange to have the drivers picked up at my home!
About 2 years since I last heard from him, I posted on this site ---{ which is where he previously asked me about the drivers and if I was selling them --- so I created a post that said ATTN: THE FELLOW'S name in all caps. And about a week after that post here on A.A. I put the drivers up for sale again. Lo and behold a second fellow from Norway purchased the drivers. Then in his excitement about getting these drivers, he posted in a Norwegian Audio Forum, which is where the original buyer saw his post! That's how this mess started....
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Seems to me that if you had not previously sent any notices of abandonment then you have sold something that does not belong to you
Perhaps you should sell you Pre and power amps from you home cinema setup as you state it's not to listen to music critically on. An AR SP9 & HK 16a should raise the required funds to refund the buyer and possibly give you some change for their replacement
Not an ideal solution and maybe unpalatable to you but is certainly he right thing to do
"Seems to me that if you had not previously sent any notices of abandonment then you have sold something that does not belong to you"
As a not-a-legal-professional, I'd agree. I'll also add that, after being contacted by the original buyer, deciding to deliver them to another party is a big legal no-no.
One of the smartest things I did in college was to take "Introduction to Business Law". But even without that, it's just common sense that, once the original buyer reappeared from the woodwork, he is the rightful owner, and sending the drivers to a second buyer may constitute fraud. TubeGuy doesn't seem to "get" any of this.
:)
Have you asked this new 'original buyer' for some proof that he is the buyer? Copies of emails, receipt for payment, etc.If he can provide that, then it seems that you owe him his money back less some reasonable restocking fee.
However, you don't have the money or the goods it would seem, so there's no good solution assuming that the original buyer is legit. In that case, all you can do is stall or ignore him. Let him sue you. I doubt that will happen.
-Rod
Edits: 03/08/16
I typically stay out of these "personal issue" threads, but this one is so ridiculous that I can't resist.Also, I suspect that there's more to this story than you're telling us. For example, why would he be upset with you for not having the speakers boxed up and ready to go after 3 days unless that was what he expected? So then you box them up, tell him they're ready (you DID tell him they're ready, didn't you?), and poof, he doesn't demand his money back, and you never hear from him again? That doesn't pass the smell test. Then, you dream up some cockamamy idea that he owes you storage rent. Are you serious? Did he agree to that? Then, you delete all his emails (that's pretty dumb) so your only way to contact him (presumably) is to post a message on the Audio Asylum, and you have no way to document your communications. Ha! Then, he suddenly reappears - right after you've sold the drivers again. Huh.
You asked for help, so here's help: This is an open-and-shut case for any attorney who's familiar with breach of contract cases. Find one or three in your area, and get their opinion, rather than asking a bunch of folks on an Internet audio forum. Your first consultation might even be free. Hope this helps.
Edits: 03/07/16 03/07/16
Hi Inmate,Thanks for your advice. Everything I stated was honestly as it occurred. email me at thetubeguy1954@yahoo.com and I'll forward a copy of the email the original buyer just sent me where I gave him the weight and dimensions of the box to be picked up! Yes I told him they were ready and I never heard again from him in 2 years!!! Sometimes crazy stuff happens to the best of us. I've decided the recent purchaser did nothing wrong and deserves the drivers because I have no cash left to send him.
The original purchaser messed up in many ways.
1) I had the drivers for sale in N. America only and he told me if I would sell the drivers to him, he would have them picked up at my home but in the 27 months that passed since he purchased the drivers that never happened. He should of never said he would do this if he didn't know whether he could do so or not!
2) He never, ever attempted to contact me again after 4/2014. Up to that point he stayed in touch about every week IIRC. After that nothing. No matter what anyone believes that's the truth to the best of my memory. If they original purchaser can send me the latest email in which we exchanged words, I'll be happy to repost that date!
3) Had he contacted me anytime in these last 2 years we could have discussed whatever situation might have arisen. But it's HIS FAULT, NOT MINE we are now in this position. Why? Because on or about 2/24 my wife was fed up with that box in our bedroom and told me the next time I left the house, she was going to put the box out on the street corner with a sign that said; FREE on it! The very next day I attempted to contact Jan here in the forum we always discussed the drivers in. On 3/1/2017 I placed them for sale again! I got a reprieve from my wife after showing I was attempting to sell them ---{ and get rid of the box again }--- so if I didn't do this, they would have been gone and the original purchaser still wouldn't have received them. Some passer by who saw a box marked "FREE" outside my home would have now instead!
4) Since two years passed ---{ a period of time in which I never agreed to keep the drivers for the seller, because they were "supposed" to be picked up quickly. However as long as the original seller continued to keep in touch with me about the reasons why the box wasn't picked up yet. I worked with him. However on 4/2014 I received his last email which said; "I think I have fixed it now, I just needed to change the order from "shipping" to "return shipping" because it is from a foreign country. But I need the actual size of the box, and the weight, in order to fill inn all the necessary info they request. Do you have this readily available?" }--- since after I provided the weight and dimensions of the box and that darn box sat in my bedroom and was the cause of numerous arguments between my wife and I!
I believe it warrants a storage fee of $25 a month or $5.77 a week for all the mental anguish I had to put up with for these past two years! That said, starting next month I'll start sending the original purchaser $50 a month from my Social Security payments ---{ which by Federal law is unable to be garnished. See link below. }--- and that will continue for 32 months from 4/2016 until the final payment is made on 12/2019 or so I believe. Who knows maybe I'll be able to send more on some months. Much will depend on how the first buyer receives my offer. It's the best I can do, unless circumstances change.
I'm not trying to be mean, nor am I trying to hurt anyone ---{ despite the original purchaser not caring how much his not contacting me or having this box picked up, was affecting my circumstances }--- I'm just attempting to get out of a fiasco the original purchaser placed me in by not sending a shipping/parcel company to pick up this darn box in the past 2 years! And yet I want to make him whole again.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Edits: 03/07/16
...OTOH Tubedude isn't looking for advice, he's looking for sympathy and support for a dubious decision he's already made. He didn't quite get that.
Sorry Steve-O but you're mistaken. I seriously was looking to see how others viewed my situation. I can see many don't even believe I'm telling the truth, but I am. When a problem occurs in my life I think of it as a diamond, i.e., it has many faucets from which it can be viewed. By asking others their opinions I get to " view " many faucets I might have missed if I didn't ask for their opinions. I've made my final decision whether others here agree with it is alright with me. I have great feedback on Audiogon as tcscata and eBay as thetubeguy1954. This is a deal that went bad because the original purchaser stopped contacting me on 4/2014.
My wife was fed-up with the box of drivers and ready to put it on the street corner in front of our home with a sign that said; "FREE" the next time I went out and in the manufactured home community in which I live, it would have been out there about 10 minutes, if that! So the original purchaser would have been out the drivers anyway if that happened. I honestly wonder if you guys had no place to keep a box in your home besides your bedroom and your wife was nagging at you almost everyday for 2 years to get rid of it or she will, what you would do? Would it still seem like it's a problem of YOUR making and not the original buyers? Plus remember I'm disabled and I cannot move the box by myself...
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
...and my perception of the story as you tell it describes a situation where you made a couple of bad decisions that have come home to roost. You then come here ostensibly seeking "advice" when it's pretty clear from some of your responses to others that you had already decided on a course of action prior to posting. What can one conclude but a desire for sympathy and support?
FWIW, if I were in your position I'd refund the full $1,600 to the first "buyer". I actually would have done that two or whatever years ago. If I had unwisely decided to spend the $$ received before consummating the deal and didn't have ready cash to refund, I'd sell whatever might necessary to raise the cash to make good with the first buyer in a timely manner. And I definitely wouldn't attempt to charge a storage fee for the stuff not shipped. That's embarrassingly desperate. But that's just me.
Hello again Steve-O! Well I attempted to provide you with my real reasons why I asked for others opinions. `But you seem stuck on believing I want sympathy. After much prayer & consideration I've decided to send the original buyer the complete $1600 in monthly installments of $50 ---{ or more if I can on some months }--- until the entire $1600 is paid back. That will take 32 payments, but he will be made whole again. Unlike you I don't have much sympathy for the original buyer and I pray you'll never be in a similar situation. That makes him whole again and doesn't place undue stress on my monthly fixed income. Thanks for your advice and opinion. Hearing different opinions helped me to form my final decision.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
"I've decided to send the original buyer the complete $1600 in monthly installments of $50 ---{or more if I can on some months}--- until the entire $1600 is paid back. That will take 32 payments, but he will be made whole again."
And the original buyer has agreed to this? I bet "not".
No he hasn't, but it's the best I can do for him. At least I'm trying to make him whole again. Otherwise I guess he'll have to try and sue me for my non-garnishable monthly SSI payments.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
...it's a start and certainly better than attempting to charge the stiffed buyer "storage fees". Revesing things a bit, the buyer is probably justified in charging interest on the unpaid balance.
I feel he's lucky I'm going to refund his entire $1600 ---{ even if all I can afford is $50 a month }--- considering all the problems he caused me with my wife and having that darn box sitting in our bedroom for 2 years. Especially when all he had to do was arrange for it to be picked up at my address as he agreed to do when purchasing these drivers! I only wanted to sell in N. America and he pleaded with me to sell them to him in Norway. That's why he agreed to have the parcel picked up at my home. Why did he wit 2 years and do nothing? I notice despite being an AA member he's being totally silent on this matter! Why? Because he knows it was all his fault, period!
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
I'd say that if you received the full funds for the goods then you sold them and they did belong to the first buyer.
The question now could be,did the buyer abandon the goods for an unreasonable period of time and does that work in your favor to resell them.
If you made the sale through a website I'd be looking at their rules and regulations to see if there's anything to help sort this out.
You said that the buyer stopped communicating with you and that you posted looking for him. Does that mean that you didn't have an e-mail address, phone number or street address for the buyer?
I would think that proof of trying to contact the first buyer by all means possible will be essential.
And likewise, the first buyer should need to prove that he made repeated attempts to retrieve his goods and if not, why not.
It does seem odd that someone else in the same country buys them and all of a sudden that person knows the original buyer but that could be coincidence I suppose.
I deleted all his emails within four months because the first purchaser was happy with the purchase and was supposed to arrange for the drivers to be picked up at my home because I'm disabled. All I could do was post here looking for him, which I did.
The original purchaser told me he has all the original emails we exchanged so he could have contacted me anytime these past 2 years. He chose not to contact me and didn't respond to my post here at Audio Asylum where we originally met!
I feel this is all on him. I tried contacting him as I knew how, he chose never to try contacting me even after having my email address the whole time since these 2 years past and he was supposed to have the drivers picked up at my home... Thanks for your POV.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Had a gent buy pair of speakers said he wanted to have them shipped in 3 months time. I stored them and kept in contact after 3 months I had no response to emails so I stored speakers. 3 years later and after about 30 attempts to contact gent. I needed to clear space so listed speakers and sold them. The original buyer noticed add about 6 months after sale and demanded credit. This I gave him and after 3 more years he only used 50% So my answer is they are his drivers and you should send them out. Buyers in the wrong but he did pay.
But John the second seller now believes the drivers belong to him as well! Besides I've already used his money, so I have no money to return to him "if" I were to send the drivers to the first buyer. The original purchaser admitted to me in an email that he's had my email address all along. So isn't this his problem? But thanks for your advice.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
I would make him a offer. Also never spend the funds before the deals done. You knew you had both the funds and the drivers and that the possibility that this could happen as soon as you resold. I know situation sucks but its up to you to make it right with both of you if you feel your in the right then live with it. Cant make everyone happy. I for one dont want any bad blood so tend to make any who deal with me whole even if I suffer for it. Honestly doubt he would have a legal option but not a international lawyer so YMMV.
re: short selling.. ( stockmarkets )
The VERY old saying is this..
"Him that sells what isn't his'n, has got to buy it back, or go to prison !"
Tom, you are liable ...
Jeff Medwin
Jeff I no longer have the original buyers $$$$$ and since I was forced to provide storage for 24 months I never agreed to. The original purchaser is owed $1600 minus ---{ $50 a month storage x 24 months or $1200 }--- so I guess I owe him $400. That's all I'll give him. I honestly wished the original purchaser contacted me. He had 2 years to do so. You have no idea how much grief having that box sitting in my home caused between my wife and I ---{ I now live in a marriage headed for divorce and the original buyer caused 90% of this with that darn box sitting in our house as I waited for the drivers to be picked for 2 years and my wife keep pleading with me to get rid off it, asking who was more important her or this man who doesn't get his stuff }--- it would have prevented this whole fiasco. Besides this was a private sale, not a business. The legalities are a lot different...
The second purchase also feels the drivers belong to him, as do I. The drivers are going to the second seller in Norway.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
$50 per month to "store" a pair of drivers that take up less than 1 cubic foot of space?????
Bottom line; You sold something the second time that you already profited from once.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
thetubeguy1954 , I'm fearful of seeming harsh and judgmental, but if I found myself in your situation I would feel morally compelled to "make whole" both buyers. One gets the drivers and the other is due a refund.
Don that's exactly what I'm going to do. The second buyer is getting the drivers and the first buyer a full refund at $50 a month, which is all I can spare from my monthly SSI checks. I honestly wished I could send more and maybe some months I'll be able to, but I'll send $50 for sure every month starting 4/2106. That's the best I can do for him. If he's not happy he can attempt to sue me but my SSI is not garnishable. All he had to do was have the parcel picked up at my home as he agreed to do. He had over two years to this. So why didn't he? He had the weight, dimensions and my address. This is all his fault and somehow everyone is blaming me for what happened? I know I wouldn't spend $1600 and let the drivers sit there for two years after I agreed to have the parcel picked up at the seller's home! Would you? So why did you Jan?
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
TubeGuy, you continue to make poor decisions regarding this. You've not gotten a written agreement from the original buyer to accept your $50/month for the next 32 months (more than two and a half years). What you ARE doing is admitting that you owe him the money or the speakers. Can y'all say "digging yourself into a hole"?
Have you contacted an attorney, as I advised? Probably not. I can't help you any more.
Have your wife or a friend move the box from the bedroom to the garage. Maybe that'll save your marriage.
"I now live in a marriage headed for divorce and the original buyer caused 90% of this with that darn box sitting in our house as I waited for the drivers to be picked for 2 years and my wife keep pleading with me to get rid off it, asking who"
Seriously? As a public service if anyone has boxes of valuable speaker drivers threatening marital happiness, Send them to me! ;) Thankfully my situation is more tolerant to sound equipment, I think it's cruel to deny someone access to their hobbies! Didn't you have some enormous RCA apeakers a few year back (or do I remember wrong ?) ? Those were sure enviable, I could see those causing problems on the domestic front!
I'll readily admit there were obviously other factors leading to the problems now occurring in my marriage, but that darn box sitting in our bedroom provided a lot of ammo for my wife, that wouldn't have been available otherwise, to start arguments whenever she wanted too! Yes I had RCA LC-9A cabinets quite awhile back, back when my marriage was full of love, sadly that's not quite what is these days any longer! Also sadly too often things change with the passing of time....
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Maxhifi,
Thank goodness you're here! I have a 6 CD carousel, a VHS Hi-Fi VCR, a tuner, and an integrated amp all sitting unused and needing minor repairs. I also have a pair of 3/4" dome tweeters, a pair of 2" dome midranges, and a pair of 6" mid-woofers sitting brand new in their boxes for 15 years. I also have about two hundred VHS tapes which I haven't watched since I recorded them. Not to forget the woodworking tools which were my grandfather's and most of which I haven't used or maybe used a couple of times. Could you please take all of this stuff off my hands, in an effort to save my marriage, for a mere $80,000? If not, I'll keep it all.
:)
Now this begs the question - what is a self respecting audio asylum inmate doing with a carousel style CD player? :)
Well, if it matters, to help clear my name, it's an Onkyo Integra DX-C606, which was a pretty nice unit. Great display, buttons, remote, sound. Unfortunately, the sled gets stuck. I self-fixed it once, but it started doing it again.
:)
Just giving you a hard time - and I am not one to talk, I have one of those 300 disc pioneer changers under the stairs which I bought in the late 1990s... what a stupid idea that one was!
"The drivers are going to the second seller in Norway."
I suspect you mean "buyer". In any case, it would be foolish to send them ANYWHERE before you have the legalities resolved.
Sorry to read about your marital situation, but I'd doubt that a box sitting in your house or garage is precipitating a divorce.
Yeah, reading all this, I was thinking the same thing Inmate.
I'm not Dr. Phil, but been through the muck of a divorce and custody battle, but MOST women are a little deeper than just having a box or two of speakers lying around to precipitate a divorce.
I would look elsewhere for the reasons if I were you. It'll make things easier, but the original seller had nothing to do with your
divorce.
Good luck in all this......
John, my heart is like yours I would love to be able to make both parties happy, but I cannot. When I originally sold the drivers I needed the $$$$ to pay some medical bills for my prostrate cancer. So that $$$ is long gone. Then two years go by, I hear nothing from the original buyer and tried to contact him here on AA before reposting the drivers for sale again. As I told the original purchaser, why oh why in two whole years didn't you contact me just to let me know you were still alive and well and simply needed more time for whatever reason? That would have prevented this entire fiasco the 3 of us are now in.
And now that I've resold the drivers to this new buyer I'll send them to him and make him happy. Because his $1600 is also now gone! In the end I'll attempt to make the original seller happy somehow, provided he's willing to take the blame for causing this issue and he's willing to take a less than the entire original $1600 he paid. Truth be told I feel he owes me at least $13 a week for all the aggravation I've put up with my wife these last 2 years for having to provide storage this large box in our bedroom for the past 2 years! Besides I don't believe he has any legal grounds to stand on after I waited two years for the drivers to be picked up and considering he had the means to contact me the entire time I waited, if he chose to...
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
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