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In Reply to: RE: AGAIN Why no rear and front HORN loaded MIDRANGE drivers in Pro sound ? posted by Crazy Dave on December 15, 2014 at 10:27:22
Dave
The related 1828 paging driver is still being sold, and EV used the similar 828 driver in a re-entrant horn in some of the Patricians. PWK did'nt like this driver on top of the K-horn type bottoms he licensed to EV, at least he claimed so in the Bruce Edgar interview published in the Audio Amateur/Speaker Builder as I recall. I have'nt heard a Patrician for many decades, but it would be interesting to compare them with K-horns.
Paul
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I do remember seeing those in pictures of Patricians. I have never see or heard a Patrician in front of me, but would like to. I like vintage equipment. The design would have its flaws, but it would be very efficient and wide range. Did you see the specs?
Dave
Dave
I've always liked the 828's, my Dad built his first horn rig with them back in the day. The "big man on campus" in Dad's audio club had an amazing rig with them and an EV30W sub. This was in the early 60's, and this rig could hold it's own with the best stuff I've heard at audio shows today. I mean it actually imaged in the early 60's! As to specs on the Patrician, the later ones had the 30" 30W woofer with an Fs of 16 Hz, and it's a thing unto itself. They were the rage of the first audio show I attended back then. EV made the Patrician well into the mid/late 70's with the entire late output going to Japan (or so I've read), which got the SET craze 20 years before we did here in the US. PWK complained about a hump in the response of the 828 and it's re-entrant horn, but that would be easily addressed today.
Paul
Hi Paul,
Your making me drool! I am a big fan of vintage gear and size does matter. I still have my fathers huge cabinet with a Jensen H-510 coax driver that I want to use in a Mono system.
I wonder how the modern CDP-848AT compares in sound to the 828. I have never heard either.
It is my hunch that the continued popularity of the Patrician in Japan is why Fostex still makes a 30" woofer that is very similar to the EV30W. (Fs is 25Hz). You could build a modern Patrician, and I expect you could make it sound great, but it would cost. You would also need some serious room to play it.
Dave
Dave
You may have heard some EV re-entrant horns inadvertently. Here in Chicago North Ave and Fullerton beaches use them for paging horns. While you mostly hear announcements for lost kids etc, I've heard music through them at times. While I can't comment on the "sound stage" (they're a block apart), the PRaT factor was quite good in spite of the limited bass response.
Paul
The 260 - 10000 Hz frequency response is impressive. Next time I'm in Chicago in the summer ... There are probably some here. I will keep my eye out.
Dave
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