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In Reply to: RE: with your room?... is a lock for Khorns, sub not needed... Horn bass will smoke a sub-nt posted by Cleantimestream on December 05, 2014 at 11:49:35
True. I never consider K-horns because I don't have any good corners.
But then there's the price, and you are still stuck replacing the mid horn, driver, and crossover.
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
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Mr. Steady wrote: "Horn bass will smoke a sub-nt"
I do have good corners and walls specially strengthened for bass corner horns. I owned and used the bass bins of a pair of K-horns for four or five years under Oris 150 horns driven by AER-MD3s and Fostex t900a bullet tweeters. I was quite unhappy with the bass because it began sharply rolling off by the mid 30s Hz. My dissatisfaction was probably a result of enjoying true 20Hz bass extension for at least 17 or 18 years before the K-horns.
When horn bass does not sound better than sub bass is when the sub is horn loaded also. I settled on a pair of Bill Fitzmaurice HT Tuba 1/8th wave bass corner horn subs. I like them very much. I cross them over at 160 Hz with a roll off of 96 dB/octave. The crossover as well as many other functions is handled by a DEQX HDP-3. Without the DSP and the very steep slope the high crossover frequency would probably be a problem.
I sacrifice 5 or 6 dB of sensitivity which makes it possible to do only subtractive EQ (no bass boosts) and extend the bass response down to 20 HZ in my room. Sensitivity is still in the 96 or 97 dB/w/m range which is adequate for my modest needs.
"Mr. Steady wrote: "Horn bass will smoke a sub-nt"
Hi Don. No, I didn't write that. Cleanstream wrote that. I can't say that because I haven't done enough investigations into subs.
I love the way your system sounds. For a long time I had thought of adding the BF HT Tuba Low Profile version. I was going to fire it upwards because I have 18' ceilings. Now I'm thinking PPSL might be the way to go. Three things going for it. It is high efficiency at 104db, just the same as the LS bins, it has a bottom exhaust vent, so it's a near field sub, so to speak. I have a feeling the HT Tuba LP firing up would have a different sound/effect. Third, you can physicaly align the drivers with the driver of say your straight mid/bass horn. I like that.
Want to see the grand-daddy sub bass horn? Check out the Spiral Bass Super horn thread.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Mr. Steady, I apologize for my confusion. I have splendid excuses, but I'll not bore you with them.
Thank for the compliment on my idea for my speaker system. If you are ever in the vicinity of Atlanta or Chattanooga I would love to have you drop by and see if they sound up to their description. After ten years of tweaking and refining my speakers it is only this year that they have finally come to sound as I felt they should.
Don,
"I have splendid excuses"
Think nothing of it!
I would love to hear your system, and thanks for the invite. I'll keep it tucked away. I also have been redesigning my LS for ten years, so I know what exactly what you mean. Just as important, now I know what to listen for.
Take care,
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
... that needed all drivers replaced in order to sound good. If I had to do that, I'd be looking for empty cabinets at a discount.
The horn loaded woofer design is not for the carpenter faint of heart...hideously complex...precise DOES count. The Horn is excellent on it's own but I use JBL 2360 horns and 2445.drivers in a two way configuration.
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
True.Hence the original suggestion of finding some Peavey FH-1 bins, or Inlow Sound straight horns. The OP is looking at paying top dollar for mid/bass bins.
OTOH, Bob can get a pretty good deal on m/b horns.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Edits: 12/06/14
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