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In Reply to: RE: La Scala posted by maxhifi on December 04, 2014 at 14:58:25
Max,
Yes, I realized where you are, I would have waited until you were finished if we were close. I have always had a interest in La Scalas, tell me more about Crites. I have CF 3's for now.
Bob
Follow Ups:
rws,Sorry didn't mean to leave you out. The same goes for you.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Edits: 12/04/14
no problem, I did not feel left out. I am only mildly interested, but after reading the posts it makes me wonder about the LS. The ones I saw are listed on ebay.
Bob
Bob,
Cool. Chime in if you have any questions.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Give me your thoughts on these. The price looks reasonable but I don't like the chips in the veneer. Does the high freq. driver look correct?
Bob
Hi Bob,
They are all original except for the crossover. Only the cigarette burn on the top bothered me. If you wanted to haggle by dropping the bread, then I would say $900 cash and carry them away.
If you want more advice than that you should give your longterm budget, and a description of your listening area. All the upgrades don't have to be done in one go. Like I told Max, the speaker is compartmentalized.
Hope this helps,
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
My listening room is about 12x20 partially open on one side. I am in between amps but am headed towards SET, Decwware, Coincident, or
Wright Audio. I would need to reconfigure the space.
Thanks Bob
budget?
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
probably not more than 2k
One last thing about upgrading the midhorn of a Klipsch Heritage speaker. I recommended horns with a 1" throat as a cost saving measure.
IMHO, a long mid horn with a 15/16" throat is 100 year old technology. I think Holland and Newell are right. A horn that can stay 12"-15" long will sound the best. You can get the horn shorter many ways, but I think the best way is to use a driver with a larger mouth.
IOW, to upgrade these LS, I think you should spend the money to upgrade the mid horn and the mid driver. Factor in an additional $1,500 onto your purchase price.
Hope this helps someone,
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Many choices,
LS for $900
Edgar style rectangular horn 1" throat; $465 pair
Eliptical tractrix 1" throat, $695 pair
Round fiberglass tractrix $580 pair (Requires driver upgrade)
Mid driver upgrade, $800
Better first order passive crossover $320
Better second order passive xover $730
Best, Marchand three way FET active xover, $750
Mix and match them.
$1950 will get you the bins, an eliptical 300hz tractrix horn with 1" throat adapter, and a first order xover. The ALK Universal will allow you to listen with SET, the Crites won't.
The Yorkville Unitys are only $2,200 and they are a huge leap forward. They just would need bi-amping, and they don't have front horn loaded bass. They do crossover to the mid horn at 300hz.
I think the straight m/b horn combo was something like $2,300.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
buy a set of EV DH1506 these drivers can replace the stock Klipsch neo drivers in your CF3 they simply eat the stock drivers in every way. With some additional work your CF3 will amaze you. Don't know if you are aware but the CF3 is a lot more power hungry than the published data would suggest and they respond very well to power. a pair of really solid stereo blocks 50 - 100 watts per channel vertical biamp ad you will be AMAZED. Best regards Moray James.
moray james
Hi Moray,
Yes, I had heard that the CF-3's are more like 96db rather than the stated 100db. I was planning on using SET 8 wpc and some others here thought I would be ok, any thoughts? I kind of intrigued by SET right now
Bob
I have had folks say they were pleased with small amps on the CF3, I did run my 2A3 SET on them and it was good but no like running larger amps so it will fall on you to decide. Your small SET would be fine to drive the horns and some SS power for the woofers in a bi amp situation would be interesting to hear. You have lots of options and they don't have to cost a lot. Start with what you have and see what you think. Best regards Moray James.
moray james
Hi Moray,
For the past month I've been thinking about pinging you. It's been a long time since we had an installment of; Moray's current system. A little bird told me you might be listening to J horns. :)
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
no horns have traded horns for Karlson K-Tubes with double cutaway. Best regards Moray James.
moray james
I say give them a listen. You're right, some love them and some hate them. (I've owned a pair for many years)
My understanding is:
Bob Crites set out to bring old crossovers back up to spec, perhaps using similar or better parts. He was not setting out to 'improve' the design per se'.
Al Klappenberger on the other hand, set out to improve the design itself and has various crossover designs, including some with extreme slopes (which I now have in my LaScalas)
I feel the LaScala can be a fine starting point. I'll admit that I've come to learn the HF section can now be easily bested. I've kept my two LaScalas with their stock drivers but my third LaScala (center channel) will have a 2" throat horn on top (K510) and will be taken down to a 2-way speaker with an active crossover. All of that has been engineered by Klipsch.
Since my 3rd LaScala was bought as an empty box, I'm taking it where I want it to be rather than re-formatting it.
Good luck in your journey.
Ka-yo-te,
In your opinion what is the upper usable, sound good, frequency of the LS bin?
I've been running my Faital Pro HF-204 on a 2" Jabo horn at 440hz. I just ordered an xover module of 500hz 24db slope, so I guess I'll find out.
I agree the LS is the best way to get started in horns.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
What's the uppoer useful limit? The quick answer is "I don't know" (I'm not very technical with this stuff)
What I DO know is with my center channel (JubeScala which is the LaScala bass bin mated with the Klipsch K510 horn / K69 driver (2") on top and is actively crossed) is crossed at 420Hz on the bass bin and 470 on the K510. I don't know how that relates to the acoustic crossover point. If it matters, the crossover points I'm using are Linkwitz/Reiley (sp?) 24db.
Coytee,
Sorry, I always thought it was Coyotee.
Thanks for the breakdown of your crossover points. The xover I use has variable damping, so it can be anything like BW, LR, and the others. That's why I didn't give it a designation.
J
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Heh...no problems. My wife usually calls me "JA" which is short for Jack A..
:)
See link - no personal experience but read good things online
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