|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
74.113.92.230
In Reply to: RE: Avantgarde Horns posted by Mr_Steady on October 22, 2014 at 19:36:24
I have looked into upgrading speakers a few times over the past many years. I keep backing up, as I keep getting either confused, or dis-heartened, and have not pulled the trigger on either DIY something, or buying something.
As you know, most the speakers out there don't fit the low wattage concept, so they are discarded currently. High efficiency speakers are out there, most of the best are large, too large for my room. My current speakers are Zu Essence, which are really pretty good, but I know there are better speakers.
Don't have room either in depth or width for OB designs, which would be the easy thing to play with DIY wise.
Also looking at DeVore Orangutans, but feel they may be too similar to the sound I have now. The Vaughn Audio Triode speaker looks good, I like the idea of the built in Sub, with tunable sub amplifier.
I like the slam and presence of my currently speakers, and feel I would lose that with a 6-8 inch full range single speaker speaker. Another option for me would be to upgrade in the Zu Audio line to either the Soul Supreme, or the Druid V. I am loathe to use any more floor space for subwoofer(s).
I posted picture of my cleaned up room a few months back at AK. Room is 9.5x14 feet. The speakers in the room are 12 inch square, for reference.
Follow Ups:
I built this near field system a few years ago. It's perfect for small rooms. And it wasn't really that hard to built. The 470Hz was turned for me by a local craftsman. The tweeter is Fostex 925A. I'm sure Les or somebody else with more woodworking skill could make it even prettier.
Eduard G Robinson,
THAT IS A GREAT FREAKING IDEA! Turning a straight mid/bass horn on it's mouth with a waveguide at the bottom. It's like a get-set-go J horn! Who was your inspiration, Moth Audio or Bruce Edgar? Did you measure it?
I would love to hear the horn masters at this site give their opinion of this arrangement. It's too many names to write. Steve Schell checks in from time to time. Your horn deserves it's own thread.
Give it a name, and I will start a thread. If that's cool with you.
Thanks,
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Almost everything I know about horns came from rubbing elbows with Dr. Bruce Edgar whom I've been helping on many projects over the last, uh, quarter of a century vor so. The best part of the floor firing horn (besides of the sheer simplicity of constraction) is the fact that the entire space on all three open sides is the mouth area. This allows for a relatively small overall size. I know Steve very well and he's a great guy who follows his own passion with Cogent horns. A name? Well, never thought of one...uh...call it a straight horn if you must. Any gay folks have any objections?
Mr G,
If you check in on Dr. Edgar regular, then I'm sure everyone on this forum would thank you, and I thank you.
Mr Steady
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Bruce's been mostly in and out of the hospital lately. What's so amazing is that while clearly sick and frail he maintains a remarkable esprit de corps and laughs and jokes all the time.
Edward out of curiosity just what was the total cost ---{ by total I mean the drivers, the wood, the cost to build the cabinets and the crossover parts cost }--- of assembling these speakers? Oh yeah by the way, are those Edgar Horn cabinets for the woofers?I'm listening to: Spirit of The Wood by Glen Helgeson
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Edits: 10/24/14
Used Fostex 925A - about $400, used EVM 12B - about $300, used TAD 2001 - about $600 (baught'm a long time ago) round 470 Hz horns - local craftsman turned them for me for about $600. The rest was done by me. Plywood/wiggle board - about $250.
Very nice Eduard! I have a pair of Fostex T900a's. My friend Paul B. is reconditioning a pair of TAD 2001's back to " better-than-new " status as a trade for two pairs of drivers I have that he really wants. And I have a sweet pair of 18" JBL 2241-H drivers just waiting for a project. So hopefully on day soon...
I'm listening to: Rising Current by Glen Helgeson
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
I'll gladly share the plans with anybody interested or sell/trade this system without the drivers.
Bones,The way you feel about upgrading your speakers is the same exact way I feel about hi-rez digital audio. I come back from a show all pumped up, look on HDTracks and find -- Hotel California. DVD-As are 25-30 bucks on ebay. I'll wait a little longer thank you. Maybe Ole Neil will put 'er down with PONGO.
I'm sorry I couldn't see any picture on your link with two computers and an iphone, so I'm not going to talk out of my butt.
I heard your Zu speakers at RMAF. They sounded good, but they sound like all direct radiators.
IMHO a 10x14 room is doable for a real horn system. Not pretty, and not ideal, but better than direct radiators, or at least worth a try. It sounds like most of your speakers, even the Voight pipe, are of a type. Do you have any experience with a true high efficiency design like the LaScala? I'm of the opinion that if you can't run you speaker with a 2A3 SET amp, or at worst a 300b, or at worst just the sub component like the bass bin, then you need other speakers. I practice what I preach too. If those PPSLs won't run on a 2a3 or 300b they won't stay, but of course they have the same efficiency as the LS bassbin, 104db. That's the minimum my friend for lifelike and low distortion sound.
Contemplate whether 24"x24" really is too big for the room, or if you just think it's too big for the room. Would you have more room if you took all the subs out?
If it turns out that indeed it is too big, then Les has a compact TL bassbin with an appropriately sized horn, front loaded onto a direct radiator. I like compression drivers. I'm sure it's a small fraction of the cost of the Avantgarde. Just get one and play with it. Don't sweat it if you take a $500 bath if you resell it. Plus it's close to where your son lives.
Jamie
Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
Edits: 10/23/14
Hi Bones!
I would suggest not buying the Vaughn Triode speakers. Why? Well because I used the Fostex FE208ES-R drivers which are even better than the Fostex FE208E used in those Vaughn's and I removed them immediately upon hearing a pair of Rispoli modified Dayton PS220-8 drivers! There's just so much better, for much less money. Heck have someone build Dick Olsher's Bazzillas for you!
FYI my system ---{ you can see all components and the room they're in at the link below }--- uses double-back-loaded horns, with Fostex T900a super tweeters and a 40W/ch SET amp. Bones from what I've read I agree with others here about you either contacting John Kalinowski of KCS Speakers ---{ John Kalinowski I believe will custom build a speaker for you }--- or Les Hudsen of Waveboxes. The Avantgardes are colored with that "horn sound" that I'm sure within 3 months will drive you crazy.
Personally if I were you, I'd be looking at the Odeon La Traviata in the Audio Trader section of Audio Asylum. They're $14K new, only $4.9K now, don't sound like horns, yet are! So you get the sensitivity and dynamics of horns without the horn coloration heard in the Avantgardes and these aren't huge! So they should easily fit in your room. I'd buy them over the Vaughn Triodes any day!
I'm listening to: Much Afraid by Jars of Clay
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Post a Followup:
FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: