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My Edgar Horns

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Sorry no measurements to raise your blood pressure..Good bass to 50hz a bit below think I will add a ribbon,I picked up these poor cabinets off audiogon they needed a home where ugly no finish damping etc.One gent installed a reps 1 in the moth edgar cab no fin damping or driver breakin, listen for 2 hours then disasemebled said he didnt hear the magic.Drivers are all fostex fe206esr- w305 woofer.Good for my office running on SS god save me;)

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RE: My Edgar Horns - Jim in Blacksburg 07:02:25 10/02/07 (0)
Hawt!

Top end OK without a supertweet?
Bass responce ? - GTF 16:49:32 09/03/07 (15)
Do you guys with these big horn systems really only have bass
response down to 50hz? or only 70hz?
If so, why?
How could you not want all the bass available down to below 30hz?
- Trust me if I want deep detailed powerful bass - Kloss 05:29:33 09/04/07 (6)
  Its just steps away
  - RE: Trust me if I want deep detailed powerful bass - Jim in Blacksburg 07:03:45 10/02/07 (0)
    *drools*
    
    Wouldn't happen to have a plan for that cabinet, would you?
  - RE: Trust me if I want deep detailed powerful bass - Howdy Doody 23:11:15 09/28/07 (0)
    Kloss - I'm looking at this photo - haven't read further, what do we have here?
    
    Howdy
  - That's fine. - GTF 08:45:05 09/04/07 (3)
    But I don't see the fascination with speaker systems that don't go below 79hz, or 50hz or even 40hz.
    I could never have a speaker that didn't deliver bass to at least 30hz.
    It doesn't need to be over 80dbs either.
    It needs to have pitch, detail, tune fullness, over tones.
    Not BOOM, BOOM, BOOM that' so prevalent today.
    Or the lack of bass.
    - sounds like its horns 4 u - Kloss 16:21:50 09/04/07 (2)
      For bass horns are the best bass reproducers I have ever heard.So much detail in low frequincy that gets lost to hi-excursion transducers.By the way the bass horn in pic is 8ft tall with dual 18in drivers.
      - I would have to hear them. - GTF 20:37:58 09/04/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: sounds like its horns 4 u posted by Kloss on September 04, 2007 at 16:21:50
        
        I have never liked large speaker systems.
        Be it the older large Infinity systems TAS loved.
        Large Magapans.
        The large Apogee speakers. I like the Caliper.
        I owned the Caliper.
        I dumped my Maggie MGIII's in less then a year.
        Why? I couldn't stand the difference in speed between the plastic
        and the ribbons.
        I left after 10 minutes of listening to the big Gensis speakers.
        The Whispers made me laugh.
        
        I can't stand listening to music being played on a speaker where I can hear the sound coming off the individual drivers.
        When I listen to a sax being played and I can hear it coming from the
        different drivers as the musician plays the different notes,
        it makes me get up and leave.
        
        RE: I would have to hear them. - Kloss 05:58:33 09/05/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I would have to hear them. posted by GTF on September 04, 2007 at 20:37:58
        
        If your near madison wi sometime drop bye for a listen.But your right many loudspeaker suffer from poor driver integration why I shit canned my AG duos liked much of what they did but integration between horns and woofer was too much for me to bare kept drawing me out of the music.Not so with my present systems;)
- I get plenty of bass with my horns - Dan_ed 17:20:35 09/03/07 (3)
  But then I have an Edgar Seismic horn. Very clear, controlled, tuneful bass down into the upper 20's. It does take room to get horns down low, but they sound and integrate much better than any subs I've ever owned. I like having than extra down low, but I know many people who live happily without it.
  - These only go down to about 50Hz.... - Ivan303 17:28:42 09/03/07 (2)
    But I could live with that!
    
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    - I think I could make do with those! - Dan_ed 18:12:02 09/03/07 (1)
      That picture gave me a horn woody! :)
      - HEARING them will give you a REAL woodie... - Ivan303 18:42:10 09/03/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I think I could make do with those! posted by Dan_ed on September 03, 2007 at 18:12:02
        
        Did me!
        
        I've attended 7 of the last 8 CES's, a couple of Stereophile Magazine HE-2000 and whatevers, a couple VSAC's and all of the RMAF's and I have heard nothing that even comes close.
        
        As I understand it Kevin has moved to a new home and now has the BIG Ale bass compression drivers (the ones the size of 55 gallon drums that weigh 90+ kilos) on some outrageously long, huge horns.
        
        Haven't heard those. Hope to some day.
        
        Nobody here but us chickens.
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- Which would you rather have... - Ivan303 17:05:12 09/03/07 (3)
  REAL bass with actual pitch and tonal accuracy to 70Hz?
  
  or...
  
  Crappy, boomy, one note, bloated, shitty bass to 30 Hz?
  
  I've made my choice, and I can afford either.
  
  However with an Edgarhorn Seismic sub, I can have REAL base to near-30 Hz, albeit with way too much size for the sloping low ceiling in my listening room/loft, thus my question about the smaller(shorter) down-firing bass horn in the picture at the top of the thread.
  
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  - apprenatly you've never heard a pair of good transmission line subs. - GTF 19:10:10 09/03/07 (2)
    I despise boom, boom, boom bass.
    I like to hear the bass player plucking each note.
    I enjoy the bass playing of Paul McCartney.
    The notes most people have never heard from Pink Floyd.
    I am not into high volume bass as a measure to good deep bass.
    I one listened to a pair of Legacy Whispers and their Focus model
    and was floored as to how awful they were at playing bass.
    No detail at all.
    LOUD VOLUME. yep
    Pitch. Nope
    - Actually, I have... - Ivan303 19:33:15 09/03/07 (1)
      Some very good transmission line bass units in above picture (the black pipes in the rear). They integrate well with Arial's, Goodman's in OB's as well as Edgarhorns(RMAF 06). (see link below for details)
      
      But horn bass is even better. JMHO mind you.
      
      And the horns in this picture are pretty good as well, albeit only to about 60-70Hz. ;-)
      
      Open baffle subs can be very good sounding as well. Emerald Acoustics comes to mind.
      
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      - Me too. - Bill Fitzmaurice 10:46:48 09/04/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Actually, I have... posted by Ivan303 on September 03, 2007 at 19:33:15
        
        I've done TL subs, and while they can go low they simply don't have the impact and effortless response of horns, nor do they offer the almost complete lack of distortion of a folded horn. Like Ivan I'm also in the enviable position of being able to have any type sub that I care to, and I run folded horns, down to 15 Hz in fact.
RE: My Edgar Horns - Bruce Edgar 18:05:44 09/02/07 (5)
The back loaded horns you bought are 70Hz hyperbolic exponential horns that I developed for Moth Audio a number of years ago. Originally they were designed for Lowthet/Reps drivers, but this year I built a pair for the Fostex 206 whose performance impressed me to no end. The reasonable price of the Fostex drivers make the back loaded horns an excellent horn alternative for all you bottom feeders. I've even designed an 80Hz back loaded horn with the driver fully integrated into the cabinet as opposed to the doghouse on top for the 70Hz horn.

The early version you have does not have the extensive bracing around the mouth to damp out the mouth bell mode vibrations. Without the bracing the horn has a woody coloration that comes from the rear panel vibrating. If you contact me, I can supply the necessary bracing design. Bruce
- Thanks Doc, - Kloss 06:13:37 09/03/07 (0)
  Hi Bruce thanks for the offer.I will contact you sometime this week.The driver in the moth cab is a fe206esr a much improved driver over fe206e and works fine in this cabinet. With the bass cabs the 2 match up very well.Your right about the cabs needed bracing I did damp out most of the problems.When I just ran the fe206esr and moth cab bass in room was into the 50hz range but was bloated sounding after a bit of messin about bass is now arround 70hz in room no bloat.
- RE: My Edgar Horns - freddyi 05:52:36 09/03/07 (0)
  Hi Bruce - regarding cutoff, how does your 206 horn differ in throat, path and expansion from typical suggested 206-208 BLH??
  
  Fred
- Hi Bruce... - Ivan303 18:11:59 09/02/07 (2)
  Be interested in the details of the down-firing bass cabinet sitting next to the BLH.
  
  Nobody here but us chickens.
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  - bass cab - Kloss 06:19:27 09/03/07 (0)
    sure bruce would know more but bass cab is a 50-60hz cab for 12in driver I use a fostex 12in and am running bass cab -6db at 70hz I get strong bass to about 45hz in room not enofe to pressurize room but nice detailed punchy bass a hint at what a large bass horn will do and I have built a few of those.Works just fine for movies on my massive HT set up featuring sony 13in TV;) They sit in my office which is used most all day long.Thus the SS gear I was eating up tubes costing me arround $1200 a year for replacement tubes in my office system aaarrrggghhh...
  - Make that one more - jasonwinslow@yahoo.com 18:40:56 09/02/07 (0)
    Who is interested.
Careful! - Dan_ed 06:15:52 09/01/07 (1)
You'll wind up on someone's MySpace page! :)

Are they 2-way or 3-way?
- RE: Careful! - Kloss 06:26:36 09/01/07 (0)
  2 way but adding founteks today so 3 way.The fe206esr runs to about 70hz the bass cabinet fills in from 70hz-about 45hz, all can run on one amp.Without ribbons 98db-16ohm.Nice and punchy on the moded 100w ss maven.Might add a sub bass horn but bass is strong without just a bit of pressure is missing on the pipes or for movies[ note the massive TV] My family has killed all my big costly TVs inc my sony HD the little garbage picked sony 13in has lasted arround 17 years since save from the land fill[I pulled it out of a dumpster]

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