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In Reply to: Joe, do you need a good.... posted by Rod M on June 29, 2002 at 18:02:23:
Come on, I can take it, I'm a big boy :-)If you notice something that strikes you as playing favorites, let me know.
Well, how about our friend Demerey of Sony being able to post pro-SACD responses and also comment on DVD-A and PCM without any interference or comment at all from the moderator? How is that any different?
Should Chris not also be warning Demerey? If not, why not? I think you are guilty of a massive double standard here and it doesn't look good at all.
I've challenged Chris to show where the Manufacturer rules were broken by Charles commenting on a recording and consumer format, rather than any competing products, or his own products, but he doesn't seem to be familiar enough with the AA rules to respond.
-Joe.
Ok, but I actually couldn't decide between two alternatives, a lay or one of Will's slappings.Demerey? Joe, you know I don't read this board much. But knowing the way these guys worship the Sony gods, I'm sure you're right. Ok, get out the cat o' nine tails.
BTW: If you saw Chris' post to Charles, this whole thing started on a misunderstanding and shouldn't have happened at all.
Ok, but I actually couldn't decide between two alternatives, a lay or one of Will's slappings.Neither, what I needed was a good think about what the hell I am doing and why, and what on earth was I expecting to happen?
Demerey? Joe, you know I don't read this board much. But knowing the way these guys worship the Sony gods, I'm sure you're right. Ok, get out the cat o' nine tails.
Translation: "never saw him before in my life".
BTW: If you saw Chris' post to Charles, this whole thing started on a misunderstanding and shouldn't have happened at all.
Translation (of CG's post): "what? who? me?".
Y'know I'm starting to feel like I'm trying to teach pigs to sing, and that doesn't mean I'm calling anyone a pig, either.
-Joe.
> > Translation (of CG's post): "what? who? me?".It was more clear than that to me. But to be perfectly clear, this situation was screwed up and mishandled.
I'm hoping to get the new self moderation code into beta in a week or two and then, maybe I won't need to deal with this stuff anymore. But that's probably wishful thinking.
> > Y'know I'm starting to feel like I'm trying to teach pigs to sing
A noble endeavor, you must have the patience of a saint. Good luck.
Must admit I`m curious to know who would email Chris Garrett at 1.30am, when the post in question is very informative and in no way promoting the individual`s products, or in fact `dissing` DSD - there is no suggestion I`m aware of that DVD-A sounds better than SACD whatsoever.It`s disturbing to know that there are such biased, pathetic little men complaining about such inoffensive posts and disappointing that they are taken notice of in the first place - maybe they`re big contributors who only contribute to buy influence, or worse still think their contributing makes them a moderator by proxy?
Anyone care to own up, or is Chris G getting all the flak on your behalf?
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.BTW. The next time Demery comments on DSD it`ll be interesting to see the same complainant - in the interest of fair play - raises concerns with the moderators that a manufacturer (Sony) is promoting his product (SACD)?
Hi Chris,judging partly from Stephen's response below, I'm starting to think that maybe some people simply mis-read or misunderstood Charles' post. However, he wan't exactly given the benefit of the doubt.
-Joe.
"I'm not sure that a CD player manufacturer that competes with SACD products should be allowed to use such emotive terms as "inferior". In a similar context I would have used "effective" ... but this isn't the point. Though I value Charles' technical contribution to the argument, this smells more of positioning of his products or preparing the way for future PCM based products."
Stephen Best
Canberra, Australia
If that`s the way you interpreted Charles` message then you`re not just reading between the lines, you`ve discovered whole manuscripts somewhere in his post which my browser doesn`t display?Joe`s already said most of what I`d have added, but Charles` post merely pointed out that the consumer DSD format was inferior to the pro version, just as with PCM and analogue consumer formats, and he even qualified his statement by suggesing that this did not mean consumer DSD was in any way bad; how anyone can read Charles` post and think he`s `positioning his own products` is beyond all comprehension.
You support SACD, fine - I notice that clicking onto your `homepage` provides links to all things SACD - but going the extra yard and scanning hi-rez for anything which could be construed as `anti` DSD (and we`re talking VERY loosly construed), and more to the point emailing the moderator about it doesn`t do SACD or it`s supporters any favours whatsoever.
If you misinterpreted Charles` post, no matter how baffled it leaves me I genuinely apologise for the comments I directed at the complainant who turned out to be yourself; however, if it was simply a case of bias by an over eager pro-DSD inmate taking offense at DSD being, in his eyes, `dissed`, the comments I made would have stood.
Maybe on reflection, we should ALL give each other the benefit of the doubt in future?
Best Regards,
Chris Redmond.
I'm not sure that a CD player manufacturer that competes with SACD products should be allowed to use such emotive terms as "inferior". In a similar context I would have used "effective" ... but this isn't the pointI would agree with you if Charles was describing DSD as an inferior format, but if you re-read his post he is comparing the current DSD consumer standard to the higher-rez DSD standard for pro recording that Demerey referred to in an earlier message. If Demery is correct about this, then it means that there will be a superior DSD format used for recording, i.e. the consumer DSD on SACDs will be lower Rez and thus inferior. This doesn't mean standard SACDs are bad or in any way inferior to DVD-A.
To a certain extent, this is somewhat academic, as the higher rez is only needed to give better noise performance when the signal is digitally processed. SACD still is a great Hi-Rez consumer format and it opens the possibility of having an even higher-rez format for domestic use when disc density/laser technology improves.
-Joe.
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