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In Reply to: RE: "I'm not sure what the situation is with BIS" posted by Disbeliever on August 02, 2015 at 22:36:21
You posted this:
"I have had problems with the dynamic range of some BIS recordings..."
and then posted this (re BIS) as a response to another post: "I have never said there was too much dynamic range it is the balance that is the issue."
Hubh???
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Huhh? even the presenter of CD review Andrew McGregor said re a BIS disc he was about to play that in the quiet passages you will have to increase the volume, then later denied it ,said I misheard him after contact by Robert ? ? ? .
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In response to my asking you about these contradictory statements of yours about BIS:
"I have had problems with the dynamic range of some BIS recordings..."
vs.
"I have never said there was too much dynamic range it is the balance that is the issue."
...you posted this, which makes no effort to reconcile these statements:
"even the presenter of CD review Andrew McGregor said re a BIS disc he was about to play that in the quiet passages you will have to increase the volume, then later denied it."
"Dynamic range" refers to the decibel range between soft and loud sounds. "Balance" means other things, such as one channel louder than the others, some instruments louder than others, etc. What are you trying to say about BIS recordings?
In your terms problems with the dB range between soft & loud sounds that I do not find with other brands, which is why I no longer buy BIS discs.
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Now I know that you WERE referring to dynamic range, which you find excessive on BIS discs. I don't know how much you listen to symphonic music live or whether you have hearing loss that makes it hard for you to hear soft sounds, but there is a huge dynamic range in the concert hall that is often compressed on CDs. I don't think BIS is adding dynamic range that isn't already there; rather, I suspect you are more comfortable with the compressed dynamic range on some other recordings.
I do know what you mean--I have several of the BIS recordings of the Beethoven symphonies (Vanska, Minnesota), and when I can clearly hear the softest parts, the loudest sections of the music are uncomfortably loud.
I completely agree only with your last para. Are you saying that all Classical SACDs except those from BIS are compressed ?
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You wrote: "Are you saying that all Classical SACDs except those from BIS are compressed ?"
No, of course not. I never said anything about "all classical SACDs." I recall we had a prior exchange on AA in which you insisted on putting words into my mouth. Let's move on...
I am not putting words into your mouth but the implication I get from you is that all brands apart from BIS ( which I no longer buy) are compressed. Incidently there is absolutely nothing wrong with my hearing, otherwise why would people in the Trade ask my opinion on SQ.
Disbeliever wrote: "I am not putting words into your mouth but the implication I get from you is that all brands apart from BIS (which I no longer buy) are compressed."
I don't think you understand the difference between IMPLY and INFER. The former term refers to what someone is saying, while the latter refers to a conclusion drawn by a reader or listener.
To IMPLY means to strongly suggest the truth of something not directly stated. I didn't imply anything about all brands (other than BIS). I said only what I meant.
To INFER is to derive by reasoning from evidence. You drew an inference about what I thought about all non-BIS brands from my guess that you might prefer the compressed sound on other recordings. That's what I wrote. I did not say or even suggest anything about ALL non-BIS recordings. You are responsible for your inference, which is incorrect. I have certainly not even heard all non-BIS SACDs, so of course I would not make any statement about all non-BIS brands. Now can you please move on?
until he's told us yet again that he no longer buys BIS discs.
Why would people consult you on SQ? Because they know even less than you about it, and they have not yet discovered how naive and off target your views are.
I never adjust the volume control while listening to a recording of classical music.Once I note the volume control setting that is appropriate for a particular album I just dial that in. Indeed, when getting a new album from an unfamiliar record label, after the first few notes sound and I make an initial volume adjustment I look at the volume control setting and I know whether the recording was butchered to accommodate inferior equipment. BIS does not do this.
It is possible to make a recording louder by limiting the peaks. Then it is possible for the engineers to "turn up" the volume so that the limited peaks just fit on the disk. This is how inferior recordings are made. This allows inferior equipment to play these recordings without running into distortion at the loud settings while keeping the quiet portions loud enough to hear. When you play one of these compressed recordings you do not hear what the artists played. Fortunately, most classical record labels use only a little volume compression and the better quality ones don't use any. The situation is completely different with pop music, where all musical dynamics are removed in the interest of making the playback loud.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Having to adjust the volume control while listening to Classical music only occurs with some BIS SACD discs. When I increase the volume of quiet passages, the loud ones become too loud,and then I have to adjust the volume down, I am not prepared to accept this issue not found from all the other well known brands.. The BBC CD presenter did say this was necessary before he played a BIS disc. Because you never adjust your volume control this is your choice. I no longer buy or want to buy BIS discs.
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Back in day when I played LPs on the college radio station we had to adjust the volume for each album we played so that we would meet FCC regulations. This was no different when playing LP records on my home stereo. The volume control had to be adjusted for each album to get the same sound quality.
I hate to say it, but it is people like you who are too lazy to adjust a volume control who are responsible for commercial companies butchering recordings so that they can get revenue from lazy clueless people.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I do not remember having to continually adjust the volume when I used to play LPs. Not a question of laziness, just not necessary.
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