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In Reply to: RE: Pricing and Costs of SACD and DSD / High Res downloads posted by cookiemarenco on May 09, 2015 at 07:53:35
In no world should a hi-rez download be more than a physical disc, with all that the physical disc contains, and all that the download does not.
There isn't a viable argument, in any world, where a download is more expensive. The one point that you brought up that deals with the OP at all is a point in FAVOR of SACDs being more expensive.
""We find that those that complain about the pricing are those that don't want to buy our music.""
To be clear, the OP, (& I agree), are not complaining about PRICING, we are complaining about relative, comparative value between 2 types of media.
I have ZERO issue paying $40 for a Peter Gabriel or Dead Can Dance SACD. It brings to me WAY MORE than $28 value in difference in cost between the redbook & SACD version. IF, (and that's a big if), Peter Gabriel DSD files would be available for download, - it would be MUCH LOWER value than the SACD: and would need to be closer to the same cost of the redbook CD version, before it would have the same level of value.
""I believe great music and sound recordings will cease to exist without higher prices. MP3 was nearly the demise of great recording studios... streaming audio is the final blow. Recording art and musicianship is being relegated to a hobby.""
That is so true: and there's so much evidence to support that. But again, we're not talking about higher prices, but the price of downloads being too high compared to SACDs. But your audience, and your consumers are those who are NECESSARILY going to be comparing DSD downloads to SACDs. And they are NOT going to pay MORE for less. The mass market has no idea what SACDs OR hi-rez downloads are. So your audience is ONLY people who, (at least at this time), are going to be familiar with the value of SACDs, & whether or not their price is of more value than redbook CDs.
Compounding the problem is HDTracks: whose deceit has dramatically harmed hi-rez downloads, investment in the equipment, & created extreme distrust with consumers.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Follow Ups:
Value is subjective. If one pays a higher price for product A when he could have purchased product B for less, the transaction is strong evidence that the purchaser placed more value on product A.
It may not be "viable", but I've bought a number of downloads at prices higher than the SACD price. There are a few good reasons for this behavior:
1. I get the music now, not after driving miles to a record store
2. I don't pay postage or gas
3. I get the recording without DRM
4. I don't have, nor will I ever buy, an SACD player or an SACD disk (because of DRM).
5. I lack conveniently accessible storage space to hold physical media.
6. I hate the damn shrink wrapping
7. I detest the tiny artwork that comes with CDs and SACDs.
Others have different preferences. That's why people buy and sell.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
as well as hardware user..........
You also have the ability to quickly analyze the quality & resolution, (inclusive of compression levels), any downloaded file.
1. There are no more record stores, much less stores that sell SACDs.
One purchases most all SACDs on line.
2. With a $40 title, postage isn't super crazy, - especially if you buy a few.
3. For many, this is not an issue because there's likely only 1 or two places that you can play either the file or the disc. And, - that's what Hybrid SACDs are for.
4. Hybrid
5. There are not that many SACDs available.
6. Ahhh birthdays & Christmas :-)
7. Tiny artwork is better than none, or a link that you can't get to while playing music: cause using the Internet causes lower SQ.
8. For folks who don't have file analyzing software, TRUST has been violated and prejudiced toward hi-rez downloads.
I am being facetious, but I understand and respect your position. And, - I also know that some people like you are getting just as good SQ out of their digital file playback transport as they are from a spinning disc.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
All else being equal, I'd rather buy a physical CD and rip it than download the same thing. Only because I like liner notes.
I can't say the same for SACDs. SACD transports are not as common as they used to be, and most of them haven't been particularly reliable. I look at my SACD collection today and wonder how much longer am I going to get to play these? I really should grab a vintage PS3 while I still can.
""All else being equal, I'd rather buy a physical CD and rip it than download the same thing. Only because I like liner notes.""
I feel the same: plus, - I don't trust ANY download unless I can verify it with reasonable testing. Since I am "getting out" of computer as transport to play my 2500 or so AIFF albums, I also do not want to invest in testing software.
I have about 50 SACDs & about 10 DVD-A/Dual discs. About 30 of those I really enjoy, play regularly, and will stop the computer & put in the SACD or DVD-A as the quality is enough to where I would enjoy it more.
That being said, I really enjoy my redbook disc quality on the Universal player. IMO, - I am lucky in that my player is a premier redbook player with SACD/DVD-A sounding pretty awesome, - but still as an afterthought. I have heard too many SACD players whose redbook sucks. At no time does computer playback equal the same quality as redbook discs, - but it's not too far off, and I haven't invested a ton of time or money in a dead or dying computer playback noisebox transport.
To people who have hundreds of SACDs and/or DVD-As, - I can see where they'd want a very good SACD spinner. This is especially true as legitimate DSD downloads are looking like a low value product, that will never take hold, and will die on the vine. Any redbook CD has tons more value than any hi-rez download, - IMO.
Any format success has to have a decent amount of Pop/Rock titles.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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