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For a few years now, I've been using a cheap Pioneer DV-610AV Universal disc player to play my modest size SACD/DVD-A collection. Most of my listening is analog via a turntable.
I'm looking to take a step up from the Pioneer, which has served me well. Before that, two pricier Denon decks each crapped out in less than 2 years.
This will before audio use only. I have an LG Blue Ray disc player on the video system.
What are good alternatives in the $1K range. I prefer new over used. Thanks for any suggestions/hints.
Opus 33 1/3
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I got this as a stop gap before getting a high-end player and DAC. It is on sale for $299.99 at Amazon.
Biggest issue for classical listeners is that it introduces 2 seconds delay for tracks that do not have gaps. I listen mostly to Jazz/Rock/World and some Classical. But you cannot beat the price.The remote is pretty good.
This is a great cd player for the price. I rarely play SACD's. But, when I do the performance elevates another notch.
I have been curious about these TEAC spinners...
I actually just bought a second CD-1000 yesterday .... although the price is now $349. There is nothing I have found as good for anywhere near this price. I also have a Teac H-750B CD player that I really like too. The 750B was a closeout that I paid $249 for. I think the Teac's are underrated sonically and mine have both been very reliable so far.
Is the player made in china?
Check on www.accessories4less.com for some great B Stock buys on Marantz, Yamaha, Onkyo, and Denon. Speakers, receivers, HT, and wire as well. I have used them and great prices and service. B-stock doesn't bother me as I like saving money.
Jim Tavegia
Opus-
which player did you decide to buy?
can be found for $1,299
I bought one, and it sound fantastic for SACD IMHO. Also the transport is interesting technology :)
TEAC CD-1000-S
Opus 33 1/3
in a store, however, the stores demo system was so "different" (I'm being generous/nice) from my home setup, it was next to impossible to differentiate certain sonic qualities. That demo lasted all of 10 minutes. To the stores credit, they did offer a Teac unit for home demo over a weekend, but I declined.
Yet I also remain curious. I'm starting to see more & more Teac's on the 2nd hand market and coming down in price/on sale, in my area.
Jim Treanor, I think he's owned a Teac 501 for some time now; should be familiar with the Teac "sound".
I also considered the Oppo, which are the best blu-ray players I've ever witnessed by a country mile. From a Blu-Ray perspective, they're beautiful units, head over heals better than ANY big name Blu Ray player I've seen/heard at any cost. With my 70'Sharp/stereo, the Oppo would certainly improve HT experience.
That said, I have a good Panasonic BRP, and other than some music based Blu Rays and DVDs, and a small collection of movies, I don't purchase much BR software now, less & less in the future. I much prefer a to integrate a computer based solution within my HT/stereo system, in which the Teac's - are much better suited.
I had done some reading around on these, and my impression was that they are "economy" versions of the Esoteric players... Would be a good idea to look up available reviews on this model or its siblings to try and get a sense for what they might sound like.
Seems the main issue is the disc tray's extension from the faceplate, Takes some care to ensure disc is centered in the tray before closing. I'll keep looking for more.
Thanks.
Opus 33 1/3
Coming up in the Audio Beat is an article I wrote on what I would recommend to a friend in just your circumstance. Look for it before you leap. But in word, look for a Pioneer DV-79 AVI. Can be had used for under $300 and plays high res discs like SACD and DVD-A as well as machine costing 10x as much. A superb player for dirt cheap.
Just my (adjusted for inflation) $2
John Crossett
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It sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying.
Those Pioneer players are the bargain of the decade! If they played Bluray as well, they'd be perfect. This is why I continue to tout the Oppo players, they allow one to play every shiny disc format except for HD-DVD - and no one has those discs anymore. And Bluray audio discs get more popular every day.
If he needs to keep the budget in check, a gently used BDP-93 or 95 would seem to offer the very bast value and capability available today. They do lack the 105s DAC input capability if that is of concern...
-RW-
And they wouldn't be $300-$350.
Same for the Marantz DV-9600.
Blueray is what brought the price down, artificially and way below their actual value.
If you want to watch a lot of movies, by all means get the OPPO for $1000+.
If it's music and an occasional DVD from the library?
Save a few bucks.
I look forward to your article- JC.
Arcam is another option.
The 105 receives universal praise and is a *very* capable unit, allowing you to play back *any* shiny disc format currently available. Also, Oppo's customer service is the best in the business, by far...
-RW-
I agree with your statement.
A few years back I made a move from DC to So. Fla. I lost my Oppo BDP-93's remote in the process. I contacted Oppo to purchase a new one and they graciously sent me one gratis, incl. free shipping. Now that is GREAT customer service!!
I will continue to buy Oppo players unili they drop the ball service-wise. I don't think that will ever happen...
-RW-
I'm very happy with my Oppo BDP-105D, which I've owned for a year now. I play it several hours a day and it's still going strong. It's the heart of my audio/video entertainment system. It plays everything digital and sounds very good, too.
Best regards,
John Elison
John, you mean the TASCAN DA-3000 is the "heart" of your playback system. Not the OPPO 105.
Didn't you say in that other thread you didn't like the sound of the OPPO?
I definitely like the sound of my TASCAM DA-3000 better for DSD, but I like the Oppo better with PCM. Furthermore, I spend considerably more time streaming Netflix than I do listening to music. Therefore, the Oppo is currently the heart of my audio/video entertainment system.
I'm happy with my 105D as well.
By the way, can you compare your Thiel 3.7 to the 3.6?
> By the way, can you compare your Thiel 3.7 to the 3.6?
I don't have a pair of Thiel 3.6 speakers. Are those the ones that require an equalizer? A friend of mine has a pair of Theil speakers that require an equalizer and they sound good to me. I'm sure the 3.6 is a nice speaker, but I think the 3.7 is a completely new design in all respects. The CS-3.7 does not require an equalizer and it has all new transducers as well as a redesigned enclosure. I think the physical difference between the 3.6 and the 3.7 is basically like night and day. Perhaps sonically they are not that different but I'm sure the 3.7 sounds better.
Best regards,
John Elison
No, the CS3.6s don't have an equalizer. I've owned Thiel speakers since 1983. I'm very happy with 3.6s and just wondered if the 3.7s sound better.
Well, I can only guess since I've never heard the CS3.6. However, I seriously doubt that Jim Thiel would introduce a replacement for the CS3.6 that didn't sound better. The CS3.7 is a true point source from 300-Hz up. The midrange/tweeter driver is definitely awesome. You might audition the CS2.7 for comparison. Unfortunately, the CS3.7 has been discontinued.
Best regards,
John Elison
John,
IIRC, when you first got the Oppo you were a bit disappointed. Has it actually replaced your previous digital system in terms of sound quality or of convenience?
TiA
13DoW
Yes, I got used to the sound of the Oppo BDP-105D and I now like it almost as much as the Eximus DP1 DAC. I still like the Eximus DP1 a little better, but it doesn't do DSD and I have a lot of DSD files. Therefore, I removed the Eximus DP1 from my system and I listen to the Oppo exclusively, now. The Oppo has more of an analog sound quality than I was used to hearing from digital, but I've grown to like it a lot. Perhaps the Eximus DP1 is not really better but more of a different flavor. At any rate, I'm quite happy with the Oppo BDP-105D listening through its balanced outputs.
Best regards,
John Elison
Does the Oppo play SACD-R's
Mark S Robinson
I don't know!
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Sony ES, Marantz, Pioneer Elite, NAD.
Do you have a DAC already? If so then you may be better off with a cheaper universal player like an Oppo which can pass 24/88.2 and an HDMI audio de-embedder which is not expensive and allows you to take hi-rez to your DAC. I had an old Marantz DV9600 at one point and then had an Oppo BDP-83 modded. The modded Oppo was clearly better. I had a nice DAC and bought the sub $50 de-embedder and preferred the PCM from SACD going into the DAC. The highs might have been a tad better from the player doing SACD via the analog outs but the soundstage and overall presentation winner was the DAC.
That was my mode of playback until I went to file playback, including DSD files, which, the Oppo 103 can also do. I still have the modded BDP-83 in a spare system and I don't even use the analog outs. I have one of the de-embedders along with an upgraded power supply feeding right into the DAC. It's really more for if someone comes over as I have a music server with files feeding into the DAC.
If you don't have a DAC, then perhaps you may want to look at a player or explore what is available that could meet your price point -
Marantz SA-8005 comes in at $1200. Doubles as a DAC.
I have the prior model SA-8004 and like it a lot. I haven't found anything under $2k +/- that I like better.
I can also throw in a vote for the SA8005. I have had a lot of players and this is in the top 3, and less $ than the other 2 top ones I have owned.
On few occasions I need more universal, DVA Audio etc, I feed the spdif out of my Oppo 103 into the back of the Marantz and use the SA8005 as a DAC. Truly a great bargain for all it does, and how well it sounds.
while the vast majority of my high-rez discs are sacds, I have more than a few DVD-A discs.
For this reason, I'm leaning toward the Oppo UD player or one from Marantz. Both are in the $500-700 range.
Opus 33 1/3
Not sure a sub $1k universal player will do much for you sound wise on SACD. I would think it a lateral move.
Might be better off ripping the DVD-A discs and playing via PC
If you really want a DV9600 (vs. what I suggested above), I have one in what is my guest bedroom/bonus room. It basically doesn't get used at this point except a couple of times a year. At one point I used it in the main system until I got a modded Oppo BDP-83 (which is better in the modded form I have) and then I went to the HDMI Audio De-embedder with a DAC before going to file playback. My Marantz DV9600 is in excellent condition and if interested I can pull it out and send you high resolution photos. As a transport for CDs with a DAC, it is the 2nd best I've ever owned, and 2nd best to an expensive Proceed PMDT and I've owned and still own lots of transports among multiple systems (2 LD players, an Integra DVD universal - which is an excellent player too and will pass 176.4kHz from an HDMI Audio De-embedder, 5 Oppos - two 103Ds the most recent ones, a Sony Blu-Ray Player, PS3 and probably a couple of more and I got rid of things before a move next year).
The good thing about the DV9600 is at around $350 you can get a DAC and have killer CD playback in addition to DVD-A (and the DV9600 is among the best I've owned) and SACD. A friend had the Sony SACD player (not the DVD player that played SACDs - I owned the DVP-9000ES in my bedroom system at one point) the 9000ES and it has similar sound (the bass is a bit better on the Sony and I owned the model before the 9000ES and had it modded and in unmodded form the Marantz is around the same as the XA-777ES in terms of SACD playerback.
Let me know if you are interested in the DV9600.
I picked up for $350 off of ebay. Original box, looked near new.
These sold for about $2000 when new but now obsolete as not play BlueRay so of no use as a modern multi-player.
But REALLY good as a DVD/CD/SACD player.
Link below: Buyer beware, not my auction!
I concur w/ Ivan-
those late decade spinners like the DV-7600, DV 9500 & DV-9600 were excellent.
I've had some bad experiences recently with damaged goods. Looks like what I'm looking for, though.
Opus 33 1/3
That shouldn't surprise, though.
I second this recommendation.
I have the 8003. It replaced a Cary 303/300 some years ago. I've never felt any need to look further. It's an excellent machine.
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