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In Reply to: RE: Entitled to an opinion! posted by Disbeliever on June 27, 2014 at 00:05:20
It does not upset me. Don't buy them. But, you have said and said and said this over and over and over again. You have made your point for all to hear. Your repetition like a broken record is what us upsetting. I do not see the groundswell of agreement with your view. So, let's move on.
I have no idea what is causing your problem with BIS - your ears, your brain, your system, the ambient noise in your room or all of the above. I have no similar problem with BIS nor do recording critics nor do any other listeners I know at a proper steady volume control setting.
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Several others have posted they do not like BIS for SQ for which I have no issue one other if I remember correctly for dynamic range. OTH you still maintain BIS record correctly and all the other Classical labels are using compression is this your take or not, so far you avoid giving an answer.
As I said, there is no groundswell of agreement with you as your statement bears out. Repeated posting will not change that.
I am not saying BIS gets it right and everyone else is wrong or that others use compression.. I am saying that BIS' average recorded level is lower than most, that is all. In my experience, that means it needs to be turned up typically by about 3-3.5 dB vs., say, a Channel Classics, assuming similar program material like full orchestra. 3dB is not a lot. That may vary for chamber music or other genres. There is no standard in the music recording business by which to say one level is right and another is wrong.
We have had this discussion before. As Yogi said, it's like déjà vu all over again. We also discussed the need to turn the volume down, not up, on other labels, especially chamber music on the fine Praga Digitals label and others. I find my optimum volume control settings for Mch SACD varying from -8 to -22 on an arbitrary relative dB scale, which is meaningless in absolute terms. One learns over time to be able to get the level right before playing based on the label. If not, a few minor adjustments on the remote in the first minute or two while listening will get it right. I do absolutely no gain riding. My neighbors do not complain about excessive noise and I do not feel as though I am missing any low level detail.
If BIS recorded at the same level as all the well known Classical Labels then I would not have a problem with BIS dynamic range which I find unacceptable.
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It doesn't matter what level BIS records at. If they record 3.5 dB lower than some other record label then you turn your volume control up 3.5 dB. It's completely irrelevant. You do that once, before you press "Play". And then if you are going to play the other record label you turn it back when the BIS recording is done. Actually, the requirement to adjust the volume this way applies to every recording. There will be one and only one correct level for playback for each recording to sound its best. The actual volume control setting will be radically different for solo harpsichord music and a Mahler symphony.
Some of the BIS recordings have a tendency to sound a bit thin if you don't make the loud parts very loud. They are recorded from a closer perspective than some other labels. If your system can't handle producing the needed volume then you will have to turn the loud parts down to an unnaturally low level. They may still sound OK to you, but they will not be correct. At this point, the quiet parts will then be way too quiet. If that is your problem then you need a system with the ability to put out more clean volume and/or more solid bass. I suggest you go to a symphony concert and listen to a Mahler symphony from row 5. This will calibrate your ears to the reality of good reproduction.
As I said before, the sound on BIS is very good, but it is not as good as that found on Channel Classics, which is excellent, indeed world class. BIS does have a huge catalog and low prices via eclassical.com so I have many of their recordings and am well familiar with their sound. It is not world class because Bissie is not a total and complete sonic fanatic, which is what one must be to produce world class recordings. However, Bissie gets the dynamics correct.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
BIS sound not as good as Channel Classics, I fully agree. It does matter at what level the recording is made, I do not have to adjust the volume when listening to excellent Channel Classics. Whilst my listening room is only just over 12ft wide it is 26ft long so I can sit equidistant between front & rear speakers when listening to surround sound SACD, BD & HT. Bissie does not get the dynamics correct for me Channel Classics does. Just played part of a BIS Sibelius disc, I found it sounds thick not thin as you describe and very poor immediately after playing a Channel Classics disc
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